Was thinking of an MXT......

When you've invested the amount of hours into a unit, into a top notch unit as John has into his MXT Pro.

Then something truly awesome happens,... you and the machine become ONE.

8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 10 years experience on my Max Muller CNC 2,5 m Lathe with Fanuc operating system.
I had that machine doing loop the loops, turning grinding tolerances, writing programs without the aid off Computer Aided Design.
We had become ONE.

The day I left my former job,... they decided to scrap it. Not that it couldn't do everything they asked.
The NEW operators simply needed NEW machines to become ONE with.

Whites needs these "Old F&@ts" to show them what ground does to a target signal. They know the land, they know the targets.
The "Old Hands" need to let go,... its up to the young guns to program these machines,... they could do something pretty amazing,... it just needs a Spark of Imagination.
And then they need a bunch of customers who are willing to become ONE with their creations.

Just find something you like and stick with it, warts and all!

ghound Wrote:
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> Keith Southern Wrote:
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> > Re: Was thinking of an MXT......
> >
> > Better hurry if you are.
> >
> > Keith
>
>
> I don't want the ordinary MXT that Whites sell
> anyway, i want one like John's, you know, the
> magic one, the one with no equal in any
> department.....

HH
Johnb

Yes very comical/ slash borderline annoying. But I keep reading just to see what amazing things will come next from John and his amazing mxt.

Bflo Wrote:
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> Yes very comical/ slash borderline annoying. But
> I keep reading just to see what amazing things
> will come next from John and his amazing mxt.

Ok, here is something to just bare in mind when you are researching what ever new models that come out in the future,

Go back in time to 1989 when the 5900 Di Pro and the 6000 Blue Box machines were the last of the Blue series and then we got the Black Box SL models then things went full On Digital and during that change over period The new machines were never as Deep and it was when things went digital that the power was lost, According to WHITES, Since the Blue Box/Black SL Days the only machine Whites has ever made that has come close to that Raw Depth is with the MXT series, No other production machines can match that depth if you know what to listen for.

Why is my MXT Deeper than Yours, Well the Answer is Simple, It's NOT. I just don't use it like you do.

But one thing for sure every time they change technology we loose something that is Vital to making finds, People say that as far as depth is concerned we have gone as far as we can go with the current technology, But that is not true because what we need is for companies to try and recover the Depth that was Lost when they changed from Analogue to Digital, because what your modern digital machines can do in all metal those old 5900s/6000s can do in the Disc mode with about 25% to spare.

If the MXT is on Whites Hit List I will just buy a couple more and put them away for a rainy day.

I agree with Auminesweeper, they broke the mold on vlf detectors after the MXT was mfg. It is a pinnacle of vlf technology which has been copied to death since but not matched or exceeded in quality and performance. I have owned three mxt's since mfg, have strayed to other machines and came back each time to the MXT as my coin/jewelry machine. I have several friends that feel the same way, one of them found over 4K in gold jewelry with his mxt in two months in parks local to him a couple yrs ago. The machine has many secrets, with settings as well as with using different coils to achieve certain results, one of my friends has used a mxt repeatedly on some old diggings in nevada with a whites coil and found a few things of value, then he attached a 8x6 SEF and headed up to the same diggings, came up with a bunch of real nice items in one trip including two coins worth near 100.00, that 8x6 SEF has unmatched seperation in ghost town type situations on the MXT. The only way I will ever change from the MXT is if technology does exceed the mxt's capabilities. This could happen soon as Fisher (Dave Johnson) claims to be building a multi frequency vlf machine with a completely different form of ground balancing not electromagnetic so it can see thru mineralized soils much better and deeper, if they succeed it will turn the detector industry on its back, to catch up. Until then I will continue to use the MXT as my main coin/jewelry machine.

I had both the old 5900 and the newer SL. They got good depth for their time but I would never call them depth demons compared to top detectors of today.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> I had both the old 5900 and the newer SL. They got
> good depth for their time but I would never call
> them depth demons compared to top detectors of
> today.

well to get the depth you cant use it like a Bleep and dig machine and that is where people go wrong.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Detectorist Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I had both the old 5900 and the newer SL. They
> got
> > good depth for their time but I would never
> call
> > them depth demons compared to top detectors of
> > today.
>
> well to get the depth you cant use it like a Bleep
> and dig machine and that is where people go wrong.

You assume that others don't know what they're doing. Bad assumption on your part.

I have only been swinging a detector since 1979, so I probably do not have the experince some of you hot shots do.

I have owned most of the garrets from the 80's, most the black boxed whites, several fishers, etc. etc.
In the last few years I have befriended one who is a detector dealer and gives me access to all the new machines that come on the market for testing.

I don't mean air testing, I mean actual ground hunting.
My main interest is jewelry hunting. I found the MXT 4 years ago. I now have over 4000 hours on it and a couple a thousand on my M6.
I am a firm believer, that there is nothing on the market that compars to the MXT. Once you learn it's hidden secrets, there is no ground you can't work in.

I get my best performance at preset settings with a 6" (5.3) coil. I will tell you, this detector combo will simply amaze you as to actual depth, quickness of recovery, and target accuracy.
There is no other detector for me in my future unless it's another MXT tracker.
And yes, I found and scrapped the 4K in gold jewlery in 2 months.

Northern California -
Whites M6,
Whites MXT (9.5", 5.3 (6.5"), 4.5" & 6" excl, 8x6" SEF)

" IF YOU DON'T DIG IT, YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT IT REALLY WAS"

" Luck Is The Lady That I Love The Best"

Detectorist Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Detectorist Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I had both the old 5900 and the newer SL.
> They
> > got
> > > good depth for their time but I would never
> > call
> > > them depth demons compared to top detectors
> of
> > > today.
> >
> > well to get the depth you cant use it like a
> Bleep
> > and dig machine and that is where people go
> wrong.
>
> You assume that others don't know what they're
> doing. Bad assumption on your part.

I am not assuming anything, But when you compare what they say in their Video compared to actual field use it is an easy mistake to make to under estimate the actual depth that a person can Achieve with the MXT and the same applies with some of the older Whites machines,

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Detectorist Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > auminesweeper Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Detectorist Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I had both the old 5900 and the newer SL.
> > They
> > > got
> > > > good depth for their time but I would never
> > > call
> > > > them depth demons compared to top detectors
> > of
> > > > today.
> > >
> > > well to get the depth you cant use it like a
> > Bleep
> > > and dig machine and that is where people go
> > wrong.
> >
> > You assume that others don't know what they're
> > doing. Bad assumption on your part.
>
> I am not assuming anything, But when you compare
> what they say in their Video compared to actual
> field use it is an easy mistake to make to under
> estimate the actual depth that a person can
> Achieve with the MXT and the same applies with
> some of the older Whites machines,


I already agreed with you about the video. There was some hanky panky there.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Detectorist Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > auminesweeper Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Detectorist Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > I had both the old 5900 and the newer SL.
> > > They
> > > > got
> > > > > good depth for their time but I would
> never
> > > > call
> > > > > them depth demons compared to top
> detectors
> > > of
> > > > > today.
> > > >
> > > > well to get the depth you cant use it like
> a
> > > Bleep
> > > > and dig machine and that is where people go
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > You assume that others don't know what
> they're
> > > doing. Bad assumption on your part.
> >
> > I am not assuming anything, But when you
> compare
> > what they say in their Video compared to actual
> > field use it is an easy mistake to make to
> under
> > estimate the actual depth that a person can
> > Achieve with the MXT and the same applies with
> > some of the older Whites machines,
>
>
> I already agreed with you about the video. There
> was some hanky panky there.

Sorry I misread your post, sorry about that.

John, I can't comment much on an MXT. I've heard they are great great machines and I hunted with one but neither of us did much that day.
I'm commenting here because you mentioned the CTX as being complex. The E-Trac and CTX for me, were pretty much turn and go detectors. Yeah, I played a bit with settings but those machines went deeper out of the box, more than any machine I've used, outside the AKA Signum.
And the CTX separated incredible, FBS or not.

I'm curious for you guys who have used the CTX, with how it compares with the MXT. I don't have a detector now - I'm holding out for a new light E-Trac (still) or that 2F Signum next year.
But, as a cheaper and good performing machine, and MXT sounds nice actually.

Best,
Albert

plidn1 Wrote:
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> I have only been swinging a detector since 1979,
> so I probably do not have the experince some of
> you hot shots do.
>
> I have owned most of the garrets from the 80's,
> most the black boxed whites, several fishers, etc.
> etc.
> In the last few years I have befriended one who is
> a detector dealer and gives me access to all the
> new machines that come on the market for testing.
>
> I don't mean air testing, I mean actual ground
> hunting.
> My main interest is jewelry hunting. I found the
> MXT 4 years ago. I now have over 4000 hours on it
> and a couple a thousand on my M6.
> I am a firm believer, that there is nothing on the
> market that compars to the MXT. Once you learn
> it's hidden secrets, there is no ground you can't
> work in.
>
> I get my best performance at preset settings with
> a 6" (5.3) coil. I will tell you, this detector
> combo will simply amaze you as to actual depth,
> quickness of recovery, and target accuracy.
> There is no other detector for me in my future
> unless it's another MXT tracker.
> And yes, I found and scrapped the 4K in gold
> jewlery in 2 months.

That's amazing. beach hunting?

NO. Parks and school yards.

plidn1 Wrote:
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> NO. Parks and school yards.

Even more amazing. What's your trash to gold ratio?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2016 07:31PM by Detectorist.

plidn1 Wrote:
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> I have only been swinging a detector since 1979,
> so I probably do not have the experince some of
> you hot shots do.
>
> I have owned most of the garrets from the 80's,
> most the black boxed whites, several fishers, etc.
> etc.
> In the last few years I have befriended one who is
> a detector dealer and gives me access to all the
> new machines that come on the market for testing.
>
> I don't mean air testing, I mean actual ground
> hunting.
> My main interest is jewelry hunting. I found the
> MXT 4 years ago. I now have over 4000 hours on it
> and a couple a thousand on my M6.
> I am a firm believer, that there is nothing on the
> market that compars to the MXT. Once you learn
> it's hidden secrets, there is no ground you can't
> work in.
>
> I get my best performance at preset settings with
> a 6" (5.3) coil. I will tell you, this detector
> combo will simply amaze you as to actual depth,
> quickness of recovery, and target accuracy.
> There is no other detector for me in my future
> unless it's another MXT tracker.
> And yes, I found and scrapped the 4K in gold
> jewlery in 2 months.

Congrats, that's an impressive haul,

You are right about the 5.3 coil it has incredible sensitivity, I have test it on bits weighing 0.0002 oz and then I tested it on a bit that can't be weighed and because my scales only go down to 0.0001 oz and it even saw that at about half an inch which is well in to GMT territory, when it comes to sensitivity for VLF's the 5.3 is the Hottest Coil I have ever tested,

John.

earthmansurfer Wrote:
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> John, I can't comment much on an MXT. I've heard
> they are great great machines and I hunted with
> one but neither of us did much that day.
> I'm commenting here because you mentioned the CTX
> as being complex. The E-Trac and CTX for me, were
> pretty much turn and go detectors. Yeah, I played
> a bit with settings but those machines went deeper
> out of the box, more than any machine I've used,
> outside the AKA Signum.
> And the CTX separated incredible, FBS or not.
>
> I'm curious for you guys who have used the CTX,
> with how it compares with the MXT. I don't have a
> detector now - I'm holding out for a new light
> E-Trac (still) or that 2F Signum next year.
> But, as a cheaper and good performing machine, and
> MXT sounds nice actually.
>
> Best,
> Albert

G'day Albert, I really did not like how slow the Etrac was, but after reading up on the CTX I am thinking that it is streets ahead of the Etrac, but I would want to see one in action before I handed over any money because my sites make it impossible to use the Sovereign GT or the Etrac,

Which is why I prefer the MXT because it is about Detecting and not the Detector, you twist the knobs and off you go and you don't have to worry if you had the right settings.

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 01:16PM by auminesweeper.

I've been using different Whites detectors for over 35 years and the 5900/ 6000 as my main detectors for most of my hunting. Whites have have always done well in my ground. I've also used the Minelab Sovereigns since they first came out. I've also tried most of the other brands through the years and some where great and some not so great. In my ground the 5900/6000 will go as deep as any detector out there. Exception would be some of the Minelabs BBS/FBS models. The trick to getting great depth with the 5900/6000 on the deep coins is a lot of "experience" using the non modulated audio combined with the analog meter. Here is a couple of my modified Whites IDX Pro's also that got excellent depth.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> plidn1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > NO. Parks and school yards.
>
> Even more amazing. What's your trash to gold
> ratio?

Extreamly High

Mike G. Wrote:
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> I've been using different Whites detectors for
> over 35 years and the 5900/ 6000 as my main
> detectors for most of my hunting. Whites have have
> always done well in my ground. I've also used the
> Minelab Sovereigns since they first came out. I've
> also tried most of the other brands through the
> years and some where great and some not so great.
> In my ground the 5900/6000 will go as deep as any
> detector out there. Exception would be some of the
> Minelabs BBS/FBS models. The trick to getting
> great depth with the 5900/6000 on the deep coins
> is a lot of "experience" using the non modulated
> audio combined with the analog meter. Here is a
> couple of my modified Whites IDX Pro's also that
> got excellent depth.
>
>
> [i1230.photobucket.com]
> 9699/Twins2_zpsqprwycl6.jpg

The analog meter on the 5900 was the best ever, by far!!

[www.detectorprospector.com]



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2016 02:31PM by ghound.

Mike G. Wrote:
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> I've been using different Whites detectors for
> over 35 years and the 5900/ 6000 as my main
> detectors for most of my hunting. Whites have have
> always done well in my ground. I've also used the
> Minelab Sovereigns since they first came out. I've
> also tried most of the other brands through the
> years and some where great and some not so great.
> In my ground the 5900/6000 will go as deep as any
> detector out there. Exception would be some of the
> Minelabs BBS/FBS models. The trick to getting
> great depth with the 5900/6000 on the deep coins
> is a lot of "experience" using the non modulated
> audio combined with the analog meter. Here is a
> couple of my modified Whites IDX Pro's also that
> got excellent depth.
>
>
> [i1230.photobucket.com]
> 9699/Twins2_zpsqprwycl6.jpg
Nice looking Machines Mike, I was watching one of them on Ebay a month or so back and a few other older black box machines, But I will wait til some nice ones come along,

Thanks for posting them.

John,

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>

So where did you find that Video ?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2016 09:38PM by auminesweeper.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> ghound Wrote:
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[youtu.be]

> So where did you find that Video ?
carbon steel is no test for a detector...........no equal in any department......lol



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ghound Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > ghound Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
>
> >
> > So where did you find that Video ?
> carbon steel is no test for a
> detector...........no equal in any
> department......lol

That's not what I asked , where did you find that Video ?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2016 09:37PM by auminesweeper.

Internet search, anyone can do it!

John, these were modified by Mr. Bill. A boost circuit was added along with an external Ground Balance and Threshold controls.

ghound Wrote:
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> Internet search, anyone can do it!

Right, Now you need to remove the link and remove it from your Video channel because That Is My Private Property. And you Do Not have my permission to use It.

So let's see, is this the best metal detector at separation, 'without equal in any department' lol

ghound Wrote:
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> So let's see, is this the best metal detector at
> separation, 'without equal in any department' lol

You don't know or understand what is happening in the video and it is not open to Debate.

Now Remove my Video.