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When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up?
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Re: When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up? March 12, 2017 08:54AM |
MichiganRelicHunter Wrote:
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> When YOU buy one (and all those "proven machines"
> too) and spend your entire waking life trying to k
> eep up with the demands of making/editing the vide
> os so we can sit back and watch all your invested
> time/hard work, etc. be criticized by all the skep
> tical and delusional internet clowns that think th
> eir overpriced cell phone on a stick is the be all
> , do all, end all machine to all machines.
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> When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up?
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> If it's a top level machine let's 'cut to the chas
> e' and see some proper 'head to head' with proven
> class leading machines in the field and test garde
> ns, and in 3-4bar dirt.
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> When YOU buy one (and all those "proven machines"
> too) and spend your entire waking life trying to k
> eep up with the demands of making/editing the vide
> os so we can sit back and watch all your invested
> time/hard work, etc. be criticized by all the skep
> tical and delusional internet clowns that think th
> eir overpriced cell phone on a stick is the be all
> , do all, end all machine to all machines.
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Re: When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up? March 12, 2017 09:26AM |
I too would like to thank all of those testers of the Impact for all information/tests/videos etc as it highlights to me that Nokta/Makro recognize these people DO indeed give feedback (both positive & negative) in order to stream line their final product release -
We (the interested public) are kept up to date by people who give up their time freely to not only test but to take the knowledge that they have gained, together with their own experience and recommend suitable changes - How else with all due respect do we go about building equipment users want if the companies do not want to work in with their customers?
You cant go around locking threads all day when things start falling to bits after the release like some other big name company, so is it not better to sort the unit out first with people that can be trusted such as -
Mr Keith Southern
Mr Tom Dankowski
Mr Steve Herschbach
and the many many other Testers/Reviewers/Users
I regard these guys as my Metal Detector Knowledge Gods - as well I look up to many members around here & different forums and there are a few gems as well, but as far as I am concerned - Anything these three gentlemen have to say about detectors is Gospel in my book -
Again Guys, thank you for everything you all do - this place, this website, I mean is a breath of fresh air because the majority of the posters are on the ball and willing to share their experiences with different units - Cheers
[www.earthscan.co.nz]
We (the interested public) are kept up to date by people who give up their time freely to not only test but to take the knowledge that they have gained, together with their own experience and recommend suitable changes - How else with all due respect do we go about building equipment users want if the companies do not want to work in with their customers?
You cant go around locking threads all day when things start falling to bits after the release like some other big name company, so is it not better to sort the unit out first with people that can be trusted such as -
Mr Keith Southern
Mr Tom Dankowski
Mr Steve Herschbach
and the many many other Testers/Reviewers/Users
I regard these guys as my Metal Detector Knowledge Gods - as well I look up to many members around here & different forums and there are a few gems as well, but as far as I am concerned - Anything these three gentlemen have to say about detectors is Gospel in my book -
Again Guys, thank you for everything you all do - this place, this website, I mean is a breath of fresh air because the majority of the posters are on the ball and willing to share their experiences with different units - Cheers
[www.earthscan.co.nz]
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Re: When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up? March 12, 2017 05:04PM |
It is always disappointing to see some in the detecting community impugn the honesty and integrity of good people.
People who agree to test metal detectors for companies often seem to be the targets of insults. It is insinuated they would sell their integrity for the price of a metal detector. At a minimum you have people like Tom, who gives what in my opinion is the most detailed and comprehensive comparative report on any new detector I have ever read, only to have it totally discounted. When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up? When you read Tom's report in full plus his subsequent reports and take the time to understand what he has done. The depth and detail in that report are unprecedented, and an exacting view into a process almost nobody knows anything about. I am in total awe of what Tom did, and am very grateful for a peek at an incredibly detailed mind at work. I feel like a total slacker now
When are we going to know how the Impact stacks up? My jaw is still on the floor.
The common thread is "they got the detector for free". Oh really? Again, did anyone even read Tom's report. Free? I doubt it covered his gas money, let alone time. Yeah, testers often keep the machines. What is the company supposed to do - pay to have an unsaleable used prototype machine shipped back? Some do because they do not want early prototypes falling into anybodies hands. Last version pre-production units are often left in the hands of the tester to save shipping back and as a token thanks for the work done.
I don't know what Tom makes per hour working his day job, but I sure know what I make when I am on the clock. The idea that a metal detector comes anywhere close to paying fair compensation for the time is a joke. Nobody would do this for the money. I quite literally burn more in gas money running out to real life gold fields to do the test work I do than any detector sold used is ever going to cover. I just got back from a run out to the desert to test a couple detectors plus the new Garrett ATX coil. Three days, two nights camping out of the front seat of my truck, and eight hours driving. Just to get in a couple days of doing it right.
What ultimately disturbs me however is the insinuation that the testers will literally sell their integrity and honesty for the price of a detector. All I can assume is that anyone making such an accusation would do just that, and can't imagine that other people can't be bought and sold so cheap. I am not saying you can't buy my integrity, but I am thinking if that is what you want, we better be talking at least six or seven figures! A detector I don't even need? Oh please. And someone like Tom I doubt will sell his integrity at any price.
Finally, when doing the type of testing that Tom did, there is never in my experience even a request that anything be said to anyone on a forum or otherwise. Secrecy is the name of the game, not promotion. The company is engaged in product development and needs testers to work with engineers to get real feedback from people who know more about detecting than they do. In actual fact, most companies would never, I repeat never, allow a tester to actually release the preproduction test reporting as Tom has done, no doubt with Makros permission. Lots of negatives get discussed that then get fixed, so why bring it up. That Nokta is confident enough to let the laundry air, so to speak, is pretty amazing.
Tom probably could have just did the test work and everything he said or did as regards Nokta just kept private. I am betting he was under no obligation to share anything with us, the public. People have no idea how lucky they are. They also apparently have no idea that when you discount the value of what somebody like Tom has done and even go so far as to question their integrity, it may also be the last time you ever see similar reports. This stuff is purely a labor of love, and it actually does hurt people when crap gets tossed around by selfish, ungrateful people. We all end up losing, as usual, due to the actions of the thoughtless few.
Why all the glowing reports, that oddly, seem to turn some people off? First, it is hard not to get a bit invested in a detector when a company is listening to your feedback and making suggestions you offer actually come to life. Actual hours and work are invested in the detector, and a bit of pride of ownership kicks in. Most testers tend to get pretty excited about the machine they are working with, and in fact by the end of the process are busting at the seams to share what they know. They have in fact been told to keep it secret and its driving them nuts! So the gag comes off and they all blab away at once. So sue them. Have people seriously got so few problems in the world that we have to make even something as harmless as this into an issue?
OK, rant over. I don't post here much anymore. Why? The negative people. I just don't like negative people. I decided to stop reporting on detectors outside my own website. I figure if people go to the trouble of finding me there they can't very well complain about what I have to say. And that is my final comment on all this. You can, with negative commentary, drive good people away. The best, most knowledgeable detectorists really have little to learn. They are mostly here to share a passion for detecting with others because it is a subject they love to discuss. Unfortunately, I am seeing many of the best go silent. I am not sure what it is but the internet has become a meaner place than it once was, and many of the people I used to follow are now gone. It really is a shame but I understand why. You let the negative people gain the upper hand, and the good people go away.
So I am coming out of my walled garden to say thank you to all of you who take the time to share information. Any information at all, in any way, shape or fashion. That you for adding to the flow of knowledge between like minds on subjects we care about. I don't care why you are sharing it, just thank you for sharing it. I can decide for myself what is useful for me. What is not, may be useful for others. You have both my appreciation and my sympathy. And Tom, thank you in particular for what you do to advance the technical aspects of metal detecting to the degree that you do. Your attention to detail really just blows me away. Thanks!
Steve Herschbach
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2017 05:34PM by Steve Herschbach.
People who agree to test metal detectors for companies often seem to be the targets of insults. It is insinuated they would sell their integrity for the price of a metal detector. At a minimum you have people like Tom, who gives what in my opinion is the most detailed and comprehensive comparative report on any new detector I have ever read, only to have it totally discounted. When are we going to see how the Impact stacks up? When you read Tom's report in full plus his subsequent reports and take the time to understand what he has done. The depth and detail in that report are unprecedented, and an exacting view into a process almost nobody knows anything about. I am in total awe of what Tom did, and am very grateful for a peek at an incredibly detailed mind at work. I feel like a total slacker now
When are we going to know how the Impact stacks up? My jaw is still on the floor.
The common thread is "they got the detector for free". Oh really? Again, did anyone even read Tom's report. Free? I doubt it covered his gas money, let alone time. Yeah, testers often keep the machines. What is the company supposed to do - pay to have an unsaleable used prototype machine shipped back? Some do because they do not want early prototypes falling into anybodies hands. Last version pre-production units are often left in the hands of the tester to save shipping back and as a token thanks for the work done.
I don't know what Tom makes per hour working his day job, but I sure know what I make when I am on the clock. The idea that a metal detector comes anywhere close to paying fair compensation for the time is a joke. Nobody would do this for the money. I quite literally burn more in gas money running out to real life gold fields to do the test work I do than any detector sold used is ever going to cover. I just got back from a run out to the desert to test a couple detectors plus the new Garrett ATX coil. Three days, two nights camping out of the front seat of my truck, and eight hours driving. Just to get in a couple days of doing it right.
What ultimately disturbs me however is the insinuation that the testers will literally sell their integrity and honesty for the price of a detector. All I can assume is that anyone making such an accusation would do just that, and can't imagine that other people can't be bought and sold so cheap. I am not saying you can't buy my integrity, but I am thinking if that is what you want, we better be talking at least six or seven figures! A detector I don't even need? Oh please. And someone like Tom I doubt will sell his integrity at any price.
Finally, when doing the type of testing that Tom did, there is never in my experience even a request that anything be said to anyone on a forum or otherwise. Secrecy is the name of the game, not promotion. The company is engaged in product development and needs testers to work with engineers to get real feedback from people who know more about detecting than they do. In actual fact, most companies would never, I repeat never, allow a tester to actually release the preproduction test reporting as Tom has done, no doubt with Makros permission. Lots of negatives get discussed that then get fixed, so why bring it up. That Nokta is confident enough to let the laundry air, so to speak, is pretty amazing.
Tom probably could have just did the test work and everything he said or did as regards Nokta just kept private. I am betting he was under no obligation to share anything with us, the public. People have no idea how lucky they are. They also apparently have no idea that when you discount the value of what somebody like Tom has done and even go so far as to question their integrity, it may also be the last time you ever see similar reports. This stuff is purely a labor of love, and it actually does hurt people when crap gets tossed around by selfish, ungrateful people. We all end up losing, as usual, due to the actions of the thoughtless few.
Why all the glowing reports, that oddly, seem to turn some people off? First, it is hard not to get a bit invested in a detector when a company is listening to your feedback and making suggestions you offer actually come to life. Actual hours and work are invested in the detector, and a bit of pride of ownership kicks in. Most testers tend to get pretty excited about the machine they are working with, and in fact by the end of the process are busting at the seams to share what they know. They have in fact been told to keep it secret and its driving them nuts! So the gag comes off and they all blab away at once. So sue them. Have people seriously got so few problems in the world that we have to make even something as harmless as this into an issue?
OK, rant over. I don't post here much anymore. Why? The negative people. I just don't like negative people. I decided to stop reporting on detectors outside my own website. I figure if people go to the trouble of finding me there they can't very well complain about what I have to say. And that is my final comment on all this. You can, with negative commentary, drive good people away. The best, most knowledgeable detectorists really have little to learn. They are mostly here to share a passion for detecting with others because it is a subject they love to discuss. Unfortunately, I am seeing many of the best go silent. I am not sure what it is but the internet has become a meaner place than it once was, and many of the people I used to follow are now gone. It really is a shame but I understand why. You let the negative people gain the upper hand, and the good people go away.
So I am coming out of my walled garden to say thank you to all of you who take the time to share information. Any information at all, in any way, shape or fashion. That you for adding to the flow of knowledge between like minds on subjects we care about. I don't care why you are sharing it, just thank you for sharing it. I can decide for myself what is useful for me. What is not, may be useful for others. You have both my appreciation and my sympathy. And Tom, thank you in particular for what you do to advance the technical aspects of metal detecting to the degree that you do. Your attention to detail really just blows me away. Thanks!
Steve Herschbach
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2017 05:34PM by Steve Herschbach.
