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Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?

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Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 18, 2017 07:36PM
What's it take... thin wire, resistor, capacitor and a bottle of epoxy?
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 18, 2017 07:59PM
Charles (Upstate NY) on Findmall says he has.-----You might try sending him a p.m.
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 18, 2017 09:00PM
A little bit more than a few parts.
A mono coil for PI's is the easiest to construct from the correct parts.
VLF coils is time consuming.

Geotech is a good source of info http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=main&file=main.dat

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 18, 2017 09:07PM
A coil has to be precise in order to work. There is the Faraday shield, and then you need a dual channel oscilloscope to to make sure both winding are in phase so they will ignore each other.
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 18, 2017 10:24PM
Why comes to mind...even if one has the ability and parts lots of new and used ones on the classifieds and doubt even if doable doubt if it would work as well.....as commercial manufactured ones...
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 18, 2017 11:34PM
Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> A coil has to be precise in order to work. There i
> s the Faraday shield, and then you need a dual cha
> nnel oscilloscope to to make sure both winding are
> in phase so they will ignore each other.

Correct. This isn't the 1960s @ hobbyist home-kit days. Back then, it was do-able. But today, the ummmpphhh degreee of detector maximizing has gone on . To deliver the fabulous depths we get today. And the tolerances and exactness is such that a hairline difference of windings or tightness throws everything off. Such that only robotic assembly lines can get it that precise anymore.

Thus your odds of getting anything better are nill. You're better off buying .
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 19, 2017 04:32AM
True, but there are some coils money can't buy. A coax or a Bigfoot comes to mind.
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 19, 2017 05:18AM
Geotech Wrote:
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> True, but there are some coils money can't buy. A
> coax or a Bigfoot comes to mind.

A Bigfoot-----"build it and they will come"!!------We can dream can't we!smiling smiley
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 19, 2017 07:02AM
I did some time ago when I built a surf pi from a kit.
Was fun but didn't get the performance I was expecting.
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 21, 2017 01:43AM
My friend Kinny did.
But like Sven said, a PI coil is more straight forward, VLF, more time, more complicated.
Kinny build a PI coil for his Minelab gold finding machine.

We talked on the phone.
He researched the principals of how coils work.
Then he bought an inductance meter, and some special wire.

Kinny is in my trade. Precision Grinding.
But of course he has support equipment too.
I am in my 42nd year of the trade, he is in his 50th year.

He is a sharp guy. And his brother is a mathematics wizard.

Here are the pictures of the fixtures he built, how he went about the construction.



























His goal was to build a coil that he could poke under bushes and get into some tight places.
The coil works real well, and he found gold with it, starting with the first time out.

I looked through old emails........


Quote
Kinny
The attachments will show the first tooling (Styra foam) I tried for winding a coil. It was crude just to see if it would work at all! It did!
The second skeleton tooling was much better, but I did not have the control over the windings like I wanted.
The third and final solid tooling was what worked the best. I’m not sure it makes that much difference if the coil is that neatly wound or not?
The finished coil works fine.
I have one 85% finished which I think will be even better, but I ran out of gas on that project because the first one works so well.

Below is the last piece of gold found with the home made coil, it’s a specimen roughly 1”x1”x1.5”.


Now here is the part I can't remember perfectly..........

The "Housing"

I remember him mentioning "Hays", ok, that makes sense.
But I seem to remember.......

Ok, I remember.

Kinny built the tooling to generate housings.
Hays agreed to run some for him if he could keep the tooling, and Kinny said, "sure".


The thing about building coils..................

Hays is very much missed.


I chased down what "may" have been some of Hays's forms.
But I couldn't confirm they were from his shop.


















SandMan
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 21, 2017 02:31AM
Very interesting... what special equipment is needed? Only an inductance meter? Oscilloscope? How do you 'load" the coil on a test bench?
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 21, 2017 10:09AM
Don Bowers in Pa makes my coil shells that I drew up for my mono coils. he has a good website for shells and has other information on coil building
https://sites.google.com/site/dbcoilshells/home/resources

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me
Re: Anyone ever build a coil from scratch?
July 21, 2017 02:41PM
Great link! Exactly what I was looking for...

Thx!