why cant the old names make a deep machine like the Blisstool?

i cant figure out how the new boy got one over on the long established names in detecting .
ok it needs skill to use it but its the deepest machine you can buy .
no doubt about that .
independent tests i have witnessed show this is so ..
just curious

I think they can and have.

*** ok it needs skill to use it but its the deepest machine you can buy ***

It can be a deep machine - but some test results comparing a variety of machines would put the depth at about average in low mineralized ground and near to the top performer in highly mineralized ground. If you hunt in both low and high mineralized soils, the Vista Smart or Relic, Deus, CTX3030 or Safari have better depth.

The Safari and Blisstool (with G2 and MXT) also suffer from slow recovery near adjacant iron, that is - horizontal separation has to be greater to get a reading on an adjacant non-ferrous target. The Deus and Vista models are superior at separating ferrous from non-ferrous targets (while descending order the GMP, AT Pro, CTX3030, and T2 are not far behind).

The Vista Smart is one of the deepest machines for highly mineralized soils and the Deus for low mineralzed soils.

So, there is a lot of factors involved - electronic stability, ease of use, and cost being others that people have to consider. The Blisstool is a fine machine for certain applications - but other manufactures have there own top performers that compete quite well against it.

I find a whites 5900 in all metal mode very competitive for depth with about anything ever made...

Discriminators dont work at ultra depth anyway ..

Keith

The Vista Smart to me, was nothing more than a faster Tesoro like machine. It had a touch better depth than the Tesoro machines I've used, but it didn't come ANY WHERE near the depth of a Blisstool or some of the other deep machines out there. But you are correct -- Each company offers a machine that has its own place.

But in dirt I've hunted in...which consists of bad and very good dirt...there's not another VLF machine I've seen that can equal the Blisstool.

Once you step into the Pulse detector realm, then it changes. Not just in bad dirt either. You would be amazed at the things that are often ID'd as "iron" to a VLF machine that aren't deep at all.

Detech eds plus is also very deep...Keith you must try it

Daniel, I too find the vista gold resembles a tesoro..on steroids. It goes very deep in my soil. But for I.d.ing big iron, I prefer my Bandido. But in nails and bad dirt, the gold amazes me. Ray

In bad dirt for iron, I'd rank order the top dozen as:

1. Vista Smart
2. Blisstool
3. CTX3030
4. MXT
5. F75SE
6. Vista Relic
7. Vista Gold
8. T2SE
9. AT Pro
10. G2
11. GMP
12. Deus

The tesoros have the basic building blocks Ray...they have made some great finds in iron around the world in the dense iron ancient habitation spot's for a reason.. they have a well developed thought out circuit.... Gifford really did design a great circuit and has stayed true to it for 30 year's....I think all tesoros share the same basic design it so seems ....

Alot of people have alwasy dismissed the tesoros as more of a toy line with the way they look..But if you had of been in those confederate camps back in the day digging reb buttons out of iron everyone else was leaving alone or claiming was hunted out then you would see that even the newest machines of today struggle to find objects behind them.. and that was 25 years ago...

Im serious the simple Bandido put a hurting on some camps in my area for sure...not in the depth but in the iron...I could not compete with my 1265 for depth but in the iron with mouth shut the relic's piled up in the ealry 90's in spots I thought were dead myself...I hunted every house site I Knew of in the woods back then and the relics obtained were almost a fantasy of sort's...

Till this day I have never seen as much stuff come out of iron on a regular basis as I did in the 89--Early 90's with the Pantera and Bandido..I wish those days were still around...

Oh I know the newer machine's get stuff out of sites depleated but thay cant do it on a grand scale not for me anyway's......oh they can if its spots are like manicured lawns and parks and such...but in sites that you can have alot of free reign digging they are tuff to ressurect....

Don't get me wrong I love the new tools we have like tone break's a faster speeds and iron volumes and such and they can find more its jsut they dont ignite the sites like the tesoro circuit did 25 years ago for me...But they are better in working a fresh site down to torched status..More accurate more intelligent info obtained from them..

Now this is all from a relic view with no modern trash or limited digging to contend with...

I know if I had stayed using a fisher or whites I would not have found what I did 25 years ago in iron site's...

Alot of people would not change and missed out in my opinion....

I love taking new machiness back into my old sites and making a find but I know now that when I return to an old hunt spot anything I find more than a few targets with is a nice machine for me for sure...

I do seem to be able to find smaller stuff and thinner stuff now day's and on edge stuff better also in iron...Oh ,if we had of had these machine's we have now 30 years ago no telling where we would be now..

Keith



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From what I have seen the makers of the Blistool traded stability for depth. That is a bad trade off in my opinion. No matter how you look at it the Blisstool has significant limitations on where it can hunt and what it can hunt for. So I think detector manufacturers are leary of that limited market. I don't dirt hunt that much any more, but when I did I needed precision from my detector. No unnecessary holes. And it had to be great in iron.

In my Florida inert dirt......... I found a (nearly 1/4-century old) CZ to have slightly greater depth over the Blisstool.......... and the CZ having substantially/immeasurably more inherent repeatable stability (and ease-of-use) over the Blisstool.

Hello,

Thank you for the interesting discussion.

Here is some useful information for metal detector BLISSTOOL LTC64X which I will also publish in a separate topic:

BLISSTOOL LTC64X is extreme deep all-terrain detector. For objective reasons, not just talk.

Firstly, about BLISSTOOL LTC64X v3, please note that:

As a concept, BLISSTOOL LTC64X is designed:
- to have excellent depth of detection in all conditions!;
- to be used on any type of terrains;
- to can change its behavior: whether to be "noisy" or completely "silent";
- to have expanded opportunities for setting of the discrimination and ground balance;
- to successfully detect coin placed into ceramics, stones and rocks;
- to successfully detect coins in highly mineralized terrains;
- to have good depth of detection, not only to copper but also to silver and gold objects;
- to have high detection speed and high recovery speed and at the same time to have good
stability.

As BLISSTOOL LTC64X versions:
- v2 is a version specially adapted for heavy field conditions.
- v2i is an improved version of v2.
- v3 is the top version with extreme performance.

Base Technologies in BLISSTOOL LTC64X v3:
- Induction Balance ( IB )
- SuperB Depth = Super BLISSTOOL Depth ( SBD )

All the comments that BLISSTOOL LTC64X is not stable, are completely wrong and false. The purpose of setting of BLISSTOOL LTC64X is precisely obtaining satisfactory stability according to the criteria of the individual user. I repeat: obtaining satisfactory stability according to the criteria of the individual user. If the detector is not stable - it means a user has not done his job, ie did not set up it properly for the conditions. Explain. BLISSTOOL LTC64X has all the necessary adjustments to ensure stability on any type of terrain, including in extreme conditions where other detectors can not function. Some of them are: GAIN, SILENCER, THRESHOLD, FREQUENCY, TONE. Leading to BLISSTOOL LTC64X is the depth of detection in all conditions, but its behavior can be drastically changed as desired.

BLISSTOOL LTC64X, without knowing it, is not "turn on and go" detector. It is such only for users with experience with it and know their terrain. To achieve extreme parameters, it has several settings that need to be properly adjusted by the user. After getting used to the detector, it is easy and routine operation.

The main mistake made ??both beginners and experienced but unfamiliar with BLISSTOOL LTC64X detector users is that overestimate their experience and knowledge. In the first meeting with the BLISSTOOL LTC64X, they set it to maximum performance when it exceeds the performance of almost all other similar detectors on the market. Yes, this is possible, but not suitable for welcome. It is desirable the detector to be understand step-by-step, starting from the minimum or recommended settings, and then gradually to be increased until the detector is still sufficiently stable.

Even with low levels of the settings, BLISSTOOL LTC64X as depth of detection, without difficulty, usually outperforms all other detectors with which the user is working. This applies to all areas: low mineralized, medium mineralized, highly mineralized. This has created some confusion in the user. For this it is useful initially BLISSTOOL LTC64X to be known as a concept rather than being treated as a standard detector. BLISSTOOL LTC64X is not a standard detector. It is detector with extreme depth opportunities. Explain. If you drive your standard car usually with 60 - 120 km/h, is not safe for you on your first drive with a powerful sports car you immediately to accelerate it up to 200 - 320 km/h. Yes, this is possible, but not suitable for welcome, ie can be fatal for you, because you still do not know the car well. Usually is not legal and not safe. Of course, in BLISSTOOL LTC64X, the things are not so dramatic. Even the user to avoid this error, follow the simple two scenarios: some users self-realize their mistake and optimize the settings of the detector, others simply write on forums that the detector is not stable. Please keep this in mind.

With proper user setup, BLISSTOOL LTC64X has high stability and depth of detection usually better than any other similar detectors. It is not true that if be stabilize its depth of detection is similar with other detectors. Even unnecessary stabilized, its depth of detection is much better. For example, even with GAIN = MIN, its depth of detection is better than many other detectors. Usually not well-wishers or our competitors when making parallel depth tests deliberately set BLISSTOOL LTC64X with GAIN = MIN or close to it (GAIN = 1 - 3), to provide a chance for their detectors to be a little closer to the depth of detection of BLISSTOOL LTC64X, although on most terrains BLISSTOOL LTC64X allows working with GAIN = 6 - MAX with extreme depth of detection. For example, its recommended setting is GAIN = about 5, and if necessary can be stabilized with THRESHOLD = 4 - 6, and SILENCER = OFF - 2.

Typically, the most common reasons for work with GAIN = MIN - 3 is "because only in this way the detector is stable". This is not true. It's like you to have a car with a 5 gears and to drive it only on the 1st and 2nd gear. You're not really doing this right? You use all of 1 to 5 by adjusting the speed of the car by the accelerator and brake. On most terrains, even with GAIN = 5 - MAX, BLISSTOOL LTC64X has good enough stability. The specific level of stability can be easily adjusted by THRESHOLD and SILENCER, etc. Yes, GAIN = MIN - 3, is suitable for beginners and advanced users with no or with little experience with BLISSTOOL LTC64X, but with their acquisition if want to achieve the maximum extreme depth of detection should work with higher levels, if the terrain allows. GAIN = MIN - 3 can be permanent setting, only for very highly mineralized or very highly contaminated terrains.

Achieving extreme parameters is not easy and is not cheap. Everything in BLISSTOOL LTC64X, including the search coils, is optimized and tuned for achieve a extreme depth of detection. Each BLISSTOOL LTC64X detector is individually fine-tuned (factory has about 40 - 60 fine settings), to ensure equal 100% performance for all our BLISSTOOL LTC64X detectors. For comparison, the tolerance of the most other manufacturers, ranges from about 80% to about 100% performance depending on the piece.

And something very important. Only after the user know the detector and can adjust it optimally, it can be used on any type of terrain, including but not limited to: low, medium, high mineralized, contaminated, on the beach, etc, ie BLISSTOOL LTC64X is universal all-terrain detector. It is not specialized detector, as some users with no or with minimal wrong experience with it, try to argue and likened it.

I hope this information is helpful.

With best wishes,

Ahmed Merchev
(President, sole owner and chief developer of BLISSTOOL)

BLISSTOOL
www.blisstool.com
info@blisstool.com
+359883450667



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"Overdriven 80's technology"

If the Blissfield is such great machine, why aren't its users posting any finds with it?

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I would like to see some more independent testing and review of the Blisstool, that is, not done by people who sell or promote the product. From what I can deduce, the detector requires exacting manual ground balancing. In other words, it is chatty (falsing) even when setup properly by those who promote it. But if a user has it slightly off kilter it becomes worse. You will find many people complaining about the F75 simply because it responds to everything - chatty detectors subject to EMI are not everyone's cup of tea.

It appears good for its niche - open fields and relic hunting where knocking out iron nails and small foil is the main concern while accepting all non-ferrous. In urban areas the non-ferrous junk would be too much. Unfortunately for detector sales, most MDing is done in junk laden schools, parks, ghost towns, old house sites, etc. I know it is not recommended for those areas - again that isn't its niche.

As for being deep - it certainly can be in certain circumstances. In independent testing of the LTC48x it did well, not to the level of the hype that others claim, but respectable. I'm sure the newer models are even better and more stable - which is why I'd like to see further independent comparison testing.

As an aside: There are many videos showing the superiority of the Blisstool over other brands. I would be more impressed if the testing was by experienced MD users rather than distributors and salespersons for the product. You'll notice that other MD manufactures generally don't officially promote their product by saying theirs is deeper and better than every manufacture out there. Not a smart sales tactic. Why? Because the "this detector is better than yours" is childish, foolish, and is given zero legitimacy. You might as well replace Blisstool with Long-Range-Locaters - they also claim incredible depth and sensitivity (even if they are a mostly empty box with wiring and circuit board from a toaster inside). Yes, the Blisstool is a real detector - that is true, but why would anyone purposely want to use that snake oil technique to sell anything. It is an instant offense to many.

Whenever someone claims they created the greatest thing ever - red flags go up. Your potential customer is now suspicious - in fact, you probably lost a customer. You said your detector "usually outperforms all other detectors with which the user is working " - does it really? Even if that were true, those words should be coming from satisfied users who have performed controlled testing and are reporting their findings. Not from the company owner. A wise man lets other people celebrate his achievements - lauding your own work as the best won't win you many admirers. The more vehemently Blisstool protests that it has "maximum extreme depth" (what?, only two adjectives), the more one wonders what is behind the curtain (is it the great and terrible OZ, or something else). It is self defeating. Praise has to originate with the end-user not the supplier or owner.

The Nexus brand promoted their detectors with incredible depth claims (which no doubt most were true, at least under the circumstances of the testing). How are Nexus sales today? It was and is a niche machine. The point is, when you make incredible claims of superiority the potential buyer is instantly repelled and distrusting. We all know marketing propaganda and bias and no one likes it. If the manufacture would just make modest and tempered claims while honestly discussing their detector limitations and problem areas - then they would instill trust (and make sales). I frankly would trust Tom's independent testing of the Blisstool in mild Florida dirt (that the CZ is deeper) and other independent test results (which show other detectors deeper) than whatever video Blisstool has created to promote its product.