NOKTA SIMPLEX+ -- FIELD TEST

Still awesome performance for a $300 machine. Is your unit an extremely hot one, or will they all perform at that level, that is the question. Tom, I know you can't answer that .

These things are digital...… microcontroller based...…. so...…. they all should be within 1%of each other.

that is truly remarkable tom! a $300.00 detector detecting a dime 14" down!
what is the technology behind this amazing performance?

(h.h.!)
j.t.

jt...…. two primary things:
1. A bit better EMI mitigation. ((( If EMI could be mitigated even more...….. there would be tremendous gains to be had. . . . . . to the point of being categorized as: "Revolutionary" status ))).
2. The 11" round DD coil.

outrageous! thanks tom! it would appear the "turks" are really "sharp"
and a force to be reckoned with! i can tell from outward appearances the detector
is built really strong.

(h.h.!)
j.t.

It sounds like It has good modulated audio even more so than the Mighty Nox?

There's two thought processes here. The Simplex audio....ramps-down quickly. This lends itself to easily telling size/depth of a target. . . . . without ever having to look at any depth gauge. This lends itself to easily ignoring mild ground chatter & EMI..... should you be running the unit: HOT. This lends itself to easily missing deeper targets.

The EQX is just the opposite. It's sort of difficult to tell target depth. It's sort of difficult to ignore ground chatter & EMI...… as these 'beeps' sound loud enough to be a target. It's sort of difficult to miss fringe depth coins/targets.

jmaryt Wrote:
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> one has to wonder if there is enough of a market l
> eft to support
> thousands of new sales...seems like most guys who
> are left are "old timers"
> who may be on their last legs! so to speak! maybe
> domestic makers think that,
> and don't want to spend "huge" dollars to compete!
> ..just sayin'
>
> (h.h.!)
> j.t.

how true UK ralllies have many old timers on their last legs with crotchety knees and joints about to expire

I've been spending more (testing) time in Field Mode.... on the Simplex...…. because it's one (of the two) deepest Modes. Discrimination comes in large increment Notches. Each Notch window = 5-Points. Iron ranges from 1-15. If you invoke the first Notch..... you Notch out the range of 1-5. If you invoke the second Notch..... you Notch out 6-10...…,,,,,,, third Notch: 11-15. Etc. Etc.
What's really beneficial is...… invoking the first Notch (1-5 ID's)….. then go relic hunting in carpets of nails. This first Notch happens to be almost exactly hair-splitting.... for a Disc pattern..... for most all relic hunting scenarios. And with its large 10.7" coil...…. I'm going about as deep as the EQX...… in this relic hunting capacity. (Florida dirt). The audio conveys data very well. When there is a ferrous/non-ferrous in co-locate...… the non-ferrous target bleeds through...… in a raspy, but clearly intelligible fashion.,.,.,.,.,. as long as Disc is only knocking out 1-5 ID's. If you knock out 1-10 ID's...… a lot of masking will ensue.

I'm still reserving 'some' data...…… as this is a proto device.

Did they seriously name the 3 modes Park, Field, and Beach too? I had noticed in early pictures of it, that the icons for each mode didn't deviate much from the same graphics as the Equinox for Park, Field, and Beach....basically the tree and park bench, windmill and field, and palm tree and water. Did they stick with that or alter them a little as to not be as obvious as to what they were kinda copying? It just seems a little strange that all the previous units from them had the hunt modes named by tone....3 tone, 4 tone, etc. It was kinda their thing. Now all of a sudden, they rename them the same as Minelab did on the Nox. I guess the ole saying is true...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Reminds me of that scene from the movie There's Something About Mary where the crazy hitchhiker guy was going on about his big idea to blow the 8 minute abs out of the water....his idea was the 7 minute abs. Haha. [www.youtube.com]

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> Did they seriously name the 3 modes Park, Field, a
> nd Beach too? I had noticed in early pictures o
> f it, that the icons for each mode didn't deviate
> much from the same graphics as the Equinox for Par
> k, Field, and Beach....basically the tree and park
> bench, windmill and field, and palm tree and water
> . Did they stick with that or alter them a little
> as to not be as obvious as to what they were kinda
> copying? It just seems a little strange that all
> the previous units from them had the hunt modes na
> med by tone....3 tone, 4 tone, etc. It was kinda
> their thing. Now all of a sudden, they rename the
> m the same as Minelab did on the Nox. I guess the
> ole saying is true...imitation is the sincerest fo
> rm of flattery. Reminds me of that scene from the
> movie There's Something About Mary where the crazy
> hitchhiker guy was going on about his big idea to
> blow the 8 minute abs out of the water....his idea
> was the 7 minute abs. Haha. [www.youtube]
> .com/watch?v=JB2di69FmhE

Hello Daniel. With all due respect - if that is the case, let's look at the competitor's design on their latest release....Do many customers think that it is copied from another competitor and painted in red? There are hundreds of posts about this on the internet. But we as a company think that is OK because if you look at cell phones today they all look the same...but for some reason in this industry people want their favorite brands to have it all. So you are actually saying the words Field, Park and Beach are trademarks? Now let's look at a cell phone and tell me that the icons are not similar or do not have the same names. I have never seen a phone that names the camera ''photo taking device''... You know what.... innovation does not only mean to come up with fancy words for the way you develop a detector or a firmware but it also means to make high technology affordable and available for the masses! Let the manufacturers compete...not the resellers or customers. Manufacturers should compete to give the best of the best to the customers. That is the only way of making this hobby grow! Nobody wants a monopoly. Some may appreciate it, some may not but as Nokta Makro we are very proud to present the customers with a high end performing detector at an affordable price. Thank you!

I think that Nokta Makro is doing a fantastic job, no matter how good a product and or company is there will always be those that find fault. I am proud to be one of the dealers that carry Nokta Makro products.

I guess they could have named their modes a synonym of Park, Field and Beach .......... Park = Pleasure garden.....Field = Meadow.....Beach = Waterfront.....Yo Daniel! that branch really knocked ya for a loop. Kidding aside, how is recovery coming along?

You know you made an impact on the industry when your features or designs are copied by others.

HH
Mike

I'm not saying it's going to be a dud machine. It just strikes me as kinda funny and a bit ironic with those jabs and swipes at Minelab at Detectival, but the latest detector is as close to a copy of a Minelab as you could probably get without running into patent issues. I'm sure with the price point and performance, that it will be a hot selling detector. I will have one myself.

To me, I think you could have kept it closer to the Makro/Nokta established brand/model and it could have stood on its own legs. A great example is the Kruzer series of machines. To me, they were the definition of innovative. Built better than any other waterproof machine on the market...looked like nothing else on the market that I can think of. Not a clone of anything. Truly waterproof and tough. Easy access to the hunt modes, and you had a great thing going with the hunt mode names. People that were familiar with your previous products fit right in, and those that had never picked one up, were off and running as well with easy to navigate menu and self explaining hunt mode names. You didn't have to defend it on the boards from people saying "it's just a copy of this or that", because it was its own entity. Then along came the Anfibio, which looked an awful lot like a CTX 3030. And now the Simplex looks very much like an Equinox. I've watched some of the videos on YouTube of some folks comparing them, and at first glance, you'd think it WAS an Equinox. I guess I just wonder what happened to the originality?

Well done Nokta-Makro

truly, at the price and for what you get - THANK YOU

This will compliment my Nox brilliantly and how thoughtful of you to keep
the icons similar for a few of us old timers_

The Simplex will be a top selling unit for sure and at that price, haters might
even purchase one

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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"........and a bit ironic with those jabs and swipes at Minelab at Detectival"

Hi Daniel_what did NM do to Minelab @ Detectival?

I think Quest & C-Scope have similar designs also to the Nox??

Do you remember when NM released the Racer?_It was also wafted about that
they copied the T2_must not have been true as I am more than positive FT would
have prosecuted NM like they did with Quest
t.

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

rustic charm Wrote:
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> Daniel Tn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> "........and a bit ironic with those jabs and s
> wipes at Minelab at Detectival"
>
> Hi Daniel_what did NM do to Minelab @ Detectival?
>
> I think Quest & C-Scope have similar designs also
> to the Nox??
>
> Do you remember when NM released the Racer?_It was
> also wafted about that
> they copied the T2_must not have been true as I am
> more than positive FT would
> have prosecuted NM like they did with Quest
> t.


I always thought the Racer (looks & concept) was quite similar to the T2/F-75.------And what about the Vanquish control box (look)?----Looks kind of like the AT style.----There's others I'm sure--it ain't just Nokta/Makro.

D&P-OR Wrote:
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> rustic charm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Daniel Tn Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > "........and a bit ironic with those jabs and
> s
> > wipes at Minelab at Detectival"
> >
> > Hi Daniel_what did NM do to Minelab @ Detectival
> ?
> >
> > I think Quest & C-Scope have similar designs als
> o
> > to the Nox??
> >
> > Do you remember when NM released the Racer?_It w
> as
> > also wafted about that
> > they copied the T2_must not have been true as I
> am
> > more than positive FT would
> > have prosecuted NM like they did with Quest
> > t.
>
>
> I always thought the Racer (looks & concept) was q
> uite similar to the T2/F-75.------And what about t
> he Vanquish control box (look)?----Looks kind of l
> ike the AT style.----There's others I'm sure--it a
> in't just Nokta/Makro.

Ya know, I wouldn't care if it looked like my Grandma's ole Maxwell House coffe can that she used to spit her snuff in and made me empty it when it got full. I'm still gonna get one.
'



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Bill long Wrote:
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> D&P-OR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > rustic charm Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Daniel Tn Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > "........and a bit ironic with those jabs a
> nd
> > s
> > > wipes at Minelab at Detectival"
> > >
> > > Hi Daniel_what did NM do to Minelab @ Detectiv
> al
> > ?
> > >
> > > I think Quest & C-Scope have similar designs a
> ls
> > o
> > > to the Nox??
> > >
> > > Do you remember when NM released the Racer?_It
> w
> > as
> > > also wafted about that
> > > they copied the T2_must not have been true as
> I
> > am
> > > more than positive FT would
> > > have prosecuted NM like they did with Quest
> > > t.
> >
> >
> > I always thought the Racer (looks & concept) was
> q
> > uite similar to the T2/F-75.------And what about
> t
> > he Vanquish control box (look)?----Looks kind of
> l
> > ike the AT style.----There's others I'm sure--it
> a
> > in't just Nokta/Makro.
>
> Ya know, I wouldn't care if it looked like my Gran
> dma's ole Maxwell House coffe can that she used to
> spit her snuff in and made me empty it when it got
> full. I'm still gonna get one.
> '


That's mah man Bill--'ur ridin on tha wild side!!------I didn't know 'ur Granny chewed----mine didn't (I don't think).

Bill Long - pmsl ><

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I'm not saying it's going to be a dud machine. It
> just strikes me as kinda funny and a bit ironic wi
> th those jabs and swipes at Minelab at Detectival,
> but the latest detector is as close to a copy of a
> Minelab as you could probably get without running
> into patent issues. I'm sure with the price point
> and performance, that it will be a hot selling det
> ector. I will have one myself.
>
> To me, I think you could have kept it closer to th
> e Makro/Nokta established brand/model and it could
> have stood on its own legs. A great example is the
> Kruzer series of machines. To me, they were the de
> finition of innovative. Built better than any oth
> er waterproof machine on the market...looked like
> nothing else on the market that I can think of. No
> t a clone of anything. Truly waterproof and tough
> . Easy access to the hunt modes, and you had a gre
> at thing going with the hunt mode names. People t
> hat were familiar with your previous products fit
> right in, and those that had never picked one up,
> were off and running as well with easy to navigate
> menu and self explaining hunt mode names. You did
> n't have to defend it on the boards from people sa
> ying "it's just a copy of this or that", because i
> t was its own entity. Then along came the Anfibio
> , which looked an awful lot like a CTX 3030. And n
> ow the Simplex looks very much like an Equinox. I'
> ve watched some of the videos on YouTube of some f
> olks comparing them, and at first glance, you'd th
> ink it WAS an Equinox. I guess I just wonder what
> happened to the originality?


Jabs and swipes? Let's see now... have we disrespected competition by throwing their detector on the ground in our commercials? No! Have we misled people with our marketing and used the word ''waterproof'' for a non-waterproof detector? No! Have we ever claimed that our detector will obsolete all others? No! What we said was '' If you want a waterproof detector with great depth, wireless, rechargeable, compact and lightweight detector at an entry level price point, Simplex+ is the only choice''. And this holds true before and after Detectival! So jabs and swipes are accepted when it comes from the competitor but when it comes from Nokta Makro, it is not OK? Please let's be fair.

We are standing up for our product and company and educating people so they can make the right choice for themselves once they get all the facts.

Now let’s talk about originality. If you look at various models in the industry today, we can clearly say that our Chinese competitor had the original design then as their model had been in the market long before the model you are mentioning which then means everybody else including the company you are mentioning have copied them!
So you are saying phone companies should continue to make flip phones regardless of the market changes? This is all about ''hearing'' and ''paying attention'' to the actual users. Do not get hooked up on what it looks like - I have yet seen a car without wheels. Let's focus on how this detector can perform in terms of depth and separation at $299 against detectors priced 2 and even 3 times more. That is all that will matter at the end of the day. Thank you!



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That is getting old

Bottom line is this from Tom's reports this is a steal at around 300.00 bucks..... The only disadvantage I have a gripe about is it takes away from the advantage I had over the newbie detectorist as they will be getting a high performance detector from the start instead of a Garrett ACE 300 which stinks performance wise......

Gastro Wrote:
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> That is getting old


Some people are slow learners & I for one respect a company that
puts bs to sleep -

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Am i the only one who thinks that Makro/Nokta announcing that the blue edition headphones will now work with the Simplex (recent update) is HUGE?!

I don't care what anyone says. Makro/Nokta is where it's at right now in this hobby.

> > Ya know, I wouldn't care if it looked like my Gr
> an
> > dma's ole Maxwell House coffe can that she used
> to
> > spit her snuff in and made me empty it when it g
> ot
> > full. I'm still gonna get one.
> > '
>
>
> That's mah man Bill--'ur ridin on tha wild side!!(
> tu)------I didn't know 'ur Granny chewed----mine d
> idn't (I don't think).

Dipped man, snuff, dipped!

g

Found a video of the Simplex on a salt beach. There are several targets in the wet sand and water. It's hard to tell how deep the targets were but the machine was quiet and looked impressive.
[youtu.be]

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

I wouldn't panic yet Calabash, here's a quote from Neil Jones.
OK now listen up all you detecting geezers out there.
Yes the Simplex is a fab machine no doubt about it but and this is a big but it isn't on the performance level of the Equinox 800-600.
I was on an event last weekend in Belgium and I had a small version of my test bed set up.
I was with the Nokta/Macro team and I also helped them set a test area up.
The Simplex couldn't hit the targets I had set up.
I agreed with the comment from the Makro guys it's a fantastic machine for the price
But I'm sorry folks it's just not at Nox level.


calabash digger Wrote:
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> Bottom line is this from Tom's reports this is a s
> teal at around 300.00 bucks..... The only disadvan
> tage I have a gripe about is it takes away from th
> e advantage I had over the newbie detectorist as t
> hey will be getting a high performance detector fr
> om the start instead of a Garrett ACE 300 which st
> inks performance wise......

It is a good deal from the specs on paper for 300.00 bucks...was my point. Actually the best going for that price. Do I think it will beat the Equinox? No I dont but then again it doesnt cost 800 bucks. I would have like to have a selectable freq detector in that platform better yet the multi.



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