Target Separation in Iron - DeepTech Gold / Minelab CTX / Blisstool

Here is the combined 3 tests done to demonstrate target separation

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2013 08:06PM by barryny.

Lets see the Deus in one of the next tests.

At least 3 sites that I will be taking the Gold!!! Great test, even the GB will not do that............Mark

YES - The next separation test will have the Deus...

We'll see how $1899 compares to $899...for just this one element of performance...

Aaron Wrote:
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> Lets see the Deus in one of the next tests.

Not to be critical, but full sweeps were done with the 3030 and Blistool. Wiggles with the Vista. Would that make a difference?

Nice vid..

Thats one shows the strength of the Gold...

Your SMART will pass that test fine also...and the relic might too...

Keith

Just curious, why bother testing the Gold with machines that are not know for their iron handling abilities anyway?

Thanks Keith...they all hit the non-ferrous...but the ability to lower the Iron Volume made for a nicer video using the Gold...

Ozzie - you can clearly see that the CTX and Blisstool had basically NO high tone at all - so you would never have slowed your swing speed down in order to check out a high tone...you can see on the fast sweep on the Gold that the high tone squeaks through..so it warranted the wiggle to pull the non-ferrous target out...

Aaron - those are the machines that he had available to him today...the next target separation test is the Deus at each of the 3-5 reactivity settings...I have to get him that machine....
Quite possibly the $1899 Deus will do the job as well as the $899 DeepTech Gold...As an FYI - I adore my Deus so I'm not looking to knock it at all!!!!


Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Nice vid..
>
> Thats one shows the strength of the Gold...
>
> Your SMART will pass that test fine also...and the
> relic might too...
>
> Keith

i can only imagine how well seperation will be with the smaller eliptical when it comes out and even the RELIC might stand a better chance against the other 3, I do like that 5" little wide scan coil

Barry, as long as you are testing the deus, how about comparing the two on depth of targets? I read enough complaints that the deus disappointed some of their owners with lack of depth. Maybe they did not have them set up right,? Or ??

I have found my AT Pro and T2se will pass the same test also.

ozzie Wrote:
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> Not to be critical, but full sweeps were done with
> the 3030 and Blistool. Wiggles with the Vista.
> Would that make a difference?


I'm with ozzie. I would like to have seen multiple complete wide sweeps.

Any machine with half way decent seperation should pick up the button even with a nail laying right on top of it.

A better test might be to have the button one inch lower than the surrounding iron. The masking effect will be more pronounced and closer to a real world situation.

I just ordered a Vista Gold for myself.

Can't wait to see how it does at some of my colonial sites.

Barry, will small coils be available at some point? By small I mean 6" or less.



Edited 11 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2013 10:24AM by Badger in NH.

Although the end result is a clear win for the Vista.

Just a small point I would like to make, both CTX and Bliss were used with a round 11" coil. Versus the Vista with an elliptical coil.
Meaning the Bliss and CTX were sensing more ferrous in my opinion.

If that Vista with a round 11" coil can still do the same trick, then you've got a winner.

HH
Johnb

I'm throwing my CTX in the trash. (just kidding)

If you are going to do the Deus wait for the update. I hear it is coming some day. The CTX is a great detector. Your video proves the correct tool for the correct job. No detector does it all.

When you do the Deus I would like to see if the iron changes the VDI of the button. I have dug a few low targets only to be surprised that they were coins.

Hi Badger...thanks... the 5x7" elliptical is coming approx. mid March.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> Any machine with half way decent seperation should
> pick up the button even with a nail laying right
> on top of it.
>
> A better test might be to have the button one inch
> lower than the surrounding iron. The masking
> effect will be more pronounced and closer to a
> real world situation.
>
> I just ordered a Vista Gold for myself.
>
> Can't wait to see how it does at some of my
> colonial sites.
>
> Barry, will small coils be available at some
> point? By small I mean 6" or less.

I have mentioned your concerns and on the next test including the Deus and F75 - there will be more wider complete sweeps for all the machines.

ALL FIXED on the latest video........


Steve Herschbach Wrote:
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> ozzie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not to be critical, but full sweeps were done
> with
> > the 3030 and Blistool. Wiggles with the Vista.
> > Would that make a difference?
>
>
> I'm with ozzie. I would like to have seen multiple
> complete wide sweeps.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2013 11:12PM by barryny.

Hello - this test is a comparison of stock coil to stock coil.

Both the CTX and Blisstool used their stock coil.

The Vista Gold used the 8x11" Elliptical because starting with the next shipment - that will be the stock coil for the Gold. So no need to show the results using an 11" round.

If an elliptical coil design offers such a pronounced advantage for this type of usage (in heavy iron) - than maybe those other manufacturers should offer that type of coil...

The Deus will use the stock 9" round and the F75 will use it's stock coil - I think that's an elliptical too..


scoopjohnb Wrote:
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> Although the end result is a clear win for the
> Vista.
>
> Just a small point I would like to make, both CTX
> and Bliss were used with a round 11" coil. Versus
> the Vista with an elliptical coil.
> Meaning the Bliss and CTX were sensing more
> ferrous in my opinion.
>
> If that Vista with a round 11" coil can still do
> the same trick, then you've got a winner.

Indeed if these tests, tryouts reveal that an elliptical would provide better performance in heavy iron.
Then manufacturers should give the option to buy an elliptical.
Nice coverage and decent seperation.

Stock coil versus stock coil is a great start, but if we want to know about the tech inside unlocking hidden treasures/relics/coins.
Then at least as close as possible coil uniformity should be on the list.

On the other hand,... if it does the trick, it's hip!!

HH
Johnb

There is one thing i can certainly say about DEPTECH they listen to there customers wants and needs and are always striving to be better, they are great people that run the factory and they care! I wish more detector companys would do this

Great, I'll be wanting one.

It's not as small as I'd like but it's close enough.

.

barryny Wrote:
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> Hi Badger...thanks... the 5x7" elliptical is
> coming approx. mid March.
>
> Badger in NH Wrote:
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> -----
> >
> > Barry, will small coils be available at some
> > point? By small I mean 6" or less.

How long though before deeptech machines are actually in stock for quick delivery. And what is the warranty and service going to be like.

I will PM you this information. Thanks.

squarenail_cache Wrote:
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> How long though before deeptech machines are
> actually in stock for quick delivery. And what is
> the warranty and service going to be like.

barryny Wrote:
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> But just to be clear:
>
> From 1:25-1:39 - the CTX never revealed any HINT
> of a high tone among the low tone iron while
> normal sweeping.
> From 2:12-2:22 - the Blisstool never revealed any
> HINT of a high tone among the low tone iron while
> normal sweeping.
> You would not have "stopped" to wiggle because
> there was nothing to investigate.
>

And just to be clear. I do not care about what the CTX or F75 are doing. I am more interested in how the Vista sounds when responding to all the targets in a complete sweep, and the video really did not show that well. It showed a single brief sweep then concentrated on a wiggle. I want to see the operator try to baffle the detector, not help it. That is what I would do.

Hey, the Vista looks great. May get one someday myself. Just offering a comment on the video and you say a note has been made. Good on you and thanks Barry for bringing the Vista and Blisstool into the US.

Steve Herschbach

Hi Steve...

Please watch the REVISED video - we did it again as you and others requested. I think your concerns were answered...

Thanks for your input........

Steve Herschbach Wrote:
>
> And just to be clear. I do not care about what the
> CTX or F75 are doing. I am more interested in how
> the Vista sounds when responding to all the
> targets in a complete sweep, and the video really
> did not show that well. It showed a single brief
> sweep then concentrated on a wiggle. I want to see
> the operator try to baffle the detector, not help
> it. That is what I would do.
>
> Hey, the Vista looks great. May get one someday
> myself. Just offering a comment on the video and
> you say a note has been made. Good on you and
> thanks Barry for bringing the Vista and Blisstool
> into the US.
>
> Steve Herschbach



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2013 11:13PM by barryny.

Thanks for taking the time to do these. I left a comment on your video, have you tried the ctx in two tone ferrous. Seems like on my etrac I can get some good targets even with iron in the same hole sometimes.