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Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime

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Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 19, 2013 06:27PM
Used noise cancel #11, audio gain = 30 with the 18”x15” SEF coil, Pro coil, and the Minelab 8” coil. Sensitivity level varied depending on coil.

5 days at the beach only produced 1 gold jewelry piece and 2 silver coins, an “okay” 1864s seated dime, and an extremely worn down and pitted barber dime.

The 1st day, while checking a couple of meters above the outgoing tide’s waterline, got a very weak, very low tone signal. Usually, this type of signal is either a tiny piece of very conductive shallow metal, or a small piece of deeper lead. Turned out to be a Soviet 14k gold clip, similar to the one found a couple of weeks ago. This one was found with the latch open, and sounded different than a ring type signal.

On the third day, hit the negative tide zone and got lucky. Periodically, an area around 20m x 30m receives mid-to-late 1800 coins from deeper water, worn, but not that much corrosion. This time, it produced an 1864 seated dime, and a 1871 railway token.

The 5th day, got an extremely worn, corroded no date barber dime out of the rocky area.

Went to an area, not too far from the main beach, where modern coins, and sometimes light weight jewelry, periodically wash in. In the negative tide zone, spotted partially buried jewelry items, including 2 watches, a nameplate chain bracelet, a perfume bottle, and a Reed & Barton “Damascene” bracelet. There is probably 100s of buried jewelry items that washed in here over the decades. Periodically moving around during storms and strong tidal currents. But for every jewelry item, there’s probably over a 100 junk targets, including corroded zinc pennies, not to mention all of the iron.

ID = inner diameter (in millimeters)
Procoil auto-sensitivity = 16
Rings air-tested with ring parallel to coil, unless otherwise noted



Here’s a photo of the Soviet 14k leaf “clip”, the 1864 seated dime, and the Russian 14k “clip” from a couple of weeks ago.

Row Col  carat ID   grams depth  FE-CO  max depth description
 1   1   14k   --    1.85  3”    12-06    5”      leaf parallel to coil
                           3”    12-01    5”      latch closed, latch loop parallel to coil
                           2”    12-05    3”      latch open, latch loop parallel to coil,
                                                  leaf tip facing front of coil
                           .25”  12-06    .5”     latch open, latch loop parallel to coil,
                                                  leaf tip rotated 90 degrees

Note: with an open latch, orientation to the coil greatly affected detection depth.



Above are before and after cleaning photos. The left hallmark is; a colon “:”, then a 1, then Cyrillic letters “oo” and “yu”.

The middle hallmark is; a Cyrillic letter “oo”, then a hammer and sickle in a star, then 585 (14k). The last mark is a sideways 9 or 6.



Here are before and after cleaning photos of the silver coins.

At the bottom is an 1871 railway token. It says “Oakland Brooklyn & Fruit Vale R.R. Company” on one side, and “One Fare” “1871” on the other.
The other coin to the right is unknown, but probably foreign.



Here’s a coin group photo.



Here’s the other stuff.
The watch to the left is “Geneva” brand, and to the right is “Seiko Kinetic”, and ticks after a few shakes.

Detecting since Feb, 2010
E-trac with 18"x15" SEF, 13" Ultimate coil, Pro coil, Minelab 8" coil, 4.5"x7" SEF, Sunray target probe
CTX3030 with 17"x13" DD coil, 11" DD coil
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 19, 2013 07:49PM
Looks like the beach was very popular among Russian spies old days. :-) Just kidding.
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 19, 2013 08:43PM
WoW - nice digs - love the token & that little bottle thing with the brass? top wrapped around it - pretty cool!

HH
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 01:53AM
Your 1864 dime appears to have a very faint "S" mintmark, which would be expected for the date, as the Philadelphia version is very, very rare.

Nevertheless, a great find!
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 02:31AM
Darn that salt water and waves knocks the heck out of the coins....Nice finds and come on Spring.....One wonders about the gold items as seems unusual to find several...
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 12:55PM
Awesome finds. I had it all wrong in my head. I thought that beach hunters were going after modern jewelry and such. But you have found items similar to what one digs at old home sites and stuff!!! And that is absolutely awesome!!! Congrats on the GREAT finds!!
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 06:13PM
Sweet digs.
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 06:40PM
YuriyV Wrote:
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> Looks like the beach was very popular among
> Russian spies old days. :-) Just kidding.


Well, there is a Russian Consulate in San Francisco, not too far from the beach where the items were found. Hmm.

Detecting since Feb, 2010
E-trac with 18"x15" SEF, 13" Ultimate coil, Pro coil, Minelab 8" coil, 4.5"x7" SEF, Sunray target probe
CTX3030 with 17"x13" DD coil, 11" DD coil
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 06:43PM
MichiganRelicHunter Wrote:
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> WoW - nice digs - love the token & that little
> bottle thing with the brass? top wrapped around it
> - pretty cool!
>
> HH


It’s a perfume bottle, with a little perfume still in it.

Detecting since Feb, 2010
E-trac with 18"x15" SEF, 13" Ultimate coil, Pro coil, Minelab 8" coil, 4.5"x7" SEF, Sunray target probe
CTX3030 with 17"x13" DD coil, 11" DD coil
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 06:54PM
Dan-Pa. Wrote:
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> Darn that salt water and waves knocks the heck out
> of the coins....Nice finds and come on
> Spring.....One wonders about the gold items as
> seems unusual to find several...


Targets at this beach seem to wash-in in cycles (and probably wash-out in cycles also). Sometimes coins with similar dates appear to wash-in around the same time period, but can scatter over distances. The 2 Soviet 14k “clips” appear to have come in around the same time, but a few hundred meters apart.
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 20, 2013 07:13PM
Kevin B Wrote:
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> Awesome finds. I had it all wrong in my head. I
> thought that beach hunters were going after modern
> jewelry and such. But you have found items similar
> to what one digs at old home sites and stuff!!!
> And that is absolutely awesome!!! Congrats on the
> GREAT finds!!


Finding a beach with a lot of history, and most important, with many beach goers in the past, (especially during the time when the price for gold was under $40 an ounce), increases the possibility of old gold jewelry and old coins accumulating over the decades.

High-end beaches is ideal for getting the high-end modern gold, and Florida has the year-around weather and tourists for such detecting. Also beaches in Southern California. But not so much for Northern California.

Fortunately for me, I stumbled onto such a location, and eventually learned how to harvest some of those finds.

Detecting since Feb, 2010
E-trac with 18"x15" SEF, 13" Ultimate coil, Pro coil, Minelab 8" coil, 4.5"x7" SEF, Sunray target probe
CTX3030 with 17"x13" DD coil, 11" DD coil
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 21, 2013 04:56PM
That's really cool! Some great finds! What do you mean when you say "negative tide zone?"

Steve
Re: Soviet 14k again, 1871 railway token, 1864 seated dime
February 21, 2013 06:48PM
steveg Wrote:
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> That's really cool! Some great finds! What do
> you mean when you say "negative tide zone?"
>
> Steve


Based on online tide charts, tidal changes can differ from some positive number of feet to some negative number of feet (ex. +8 feet down to -1.5 feet). Maximum high tide for the year usually coincides with the maximum low tide. Tidal currents (excluding storms and swells) are usually strongest during this time period, and can possibly move targets in the negative tidal zone.
After the tide has gone out as far as it can go during a negative tide (say -1.0 feet), the exposed area is the “negative tide zone”.