Is the cat out of the bag?

Well it appears that First Texas can and has upgraded the original F75 to the LTD. At least one has come to light. From his ad “I am putting my F75 up for sale I was on the Fisher Team at the GNRS I sent my F75 to Fisher to get all the upgrades on it even had it programed to the LTD I am asking $750 for it has a coil cover and the rain and dust covers on it.”
According to him, “I was told not to tell anyone I thought that ment not to tell anyone that it was done until after the GNRS per mike scott. Roman at Fisher is the one that done the work to it.”
The seller has requested that his ad be deleted from the classified forum. I would assume that he realized (or got a stern e-mail or phone call) that he should have not mentioned the upgrade as First Texas did not want or did not know that select machines had received the upgrade that several of us have ask for since the LTD came to the market place.
Now the question is have they lied to us saying that the F75 cannot be upgraded to the LTD or not? The only difference in the F75 and the F75 LTD (that I can see) would be what I cannot see. That is to say, the coils are the same. The shaft is the same. The housing is the same. Everything is the same except for the two new modes. Now it may take a different processor and a different circuit board but what does that cost. You can buy a brand new laptop computer for less than $400. And that has a color monitor, all kinds of memory and processing power. And if something goes wrong they just toss the old part and put in a new one.
In my opinion (and it is only my opinion) First Texas appears to be intentionally not upgrading (when it appears that they can and have already done some upgrading) due to the fact that it cost only a few dollars to upgrade. In a worse case scenario, they would toss a processor and a board and plug in a new one in place of it. But they need the profit from new sales. Maybe they do not have enough staffing to handle all of the upgrade request that they would be getting. I think (and again it is only my opinion), that they see a cash cow in the LTD. They are selling for MSRP and more. They are selling all that they are making. Why look a gift horse in the mouth?
Chances are, if First Texas has enough clout, the seller’s ad and possible this opinion will be deleted from the forum.

Cuniagau

PS I just check before posting this and his ad has indeed been deleted.

“Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear or a fool from any direction.”

If this actually is the case is that what you cll shooting yourself in the foot!!!!!!!!!

My only way to think about the $1200.00 I spent on one of the first LTD is the camo is cool and one of a kind. The new LTD that is out, and it is black there but no upgrades for the F75. OK but the LTD is a great and the couple of changes are not hype but they work. I don't think minelab even came close to what Fisher did to bump the F75 to the next level.

With that said if they start making money from the T2 LTD and the LTD and it looks like there are a lot of hunters ready to get one, then I can only hope that they come out with the next flagship in about two years. And if they can do better then the LTD and come up with a new flagship detector that blows the LTD away then then money I invested is money well spent.

LowBoy

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Well i would have thought the answers simple really.
First Texas are a buisness . And as a business, is there to make money.
First texas are not in the business to do us favours first and make money second. Its peoples livelyhood thats got to come into this.

First Texas WILL obviously bring out different detector styles to sell detectors .
If they just upgraded the very first batch of a model every so often, they`d end up never selling another detector of that type surely ?

Can we really believe that First Texas can sit back and do upgrades on detectors rather than bring another "similar" detector out to the last ,but have more goodies added to it? is that seriously what you think they should do ? LoL.
If i were a business advisor to First texas ,I`d be hitting the roof, if i found out they`d gone and simply "upgraded" their last model detector instead of bringing a completely new model out to sell .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2010 09:00AM by Jeb.

Time will tell................

Dave Johnson settles this issue


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Hi,, Yeah he settled it alright by having the other posts removed from one of the forums. I'm just wondering What ever happened to our freedom of speech?? Boy it must be nice to have the power of being famous and working at a vineyard...LOL...Thanks...JJ

because if you were paying attention, there was at least one other totally non-related thread that vanished at the same time on that forum also. I believe it was 100% admin just breaking out the Dyson and cleaning things up.

Although some negative side-effects...... due to a angry detectorist; USUALLY this is a derivative of anxiety, burning-passion, excitement and lack of patience for a improved model.

Moral = There lies a lot of 'positive' buried within the 'negative'.

Thanks markg

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Although some negative side-effects...... due to a
> angry detectorist; USUALLY this is a derivative of
> anxiety, burning-passion, excitement and lack of
> patience for a improved model.
>
> Moral = There lies a lot of 'positive' buried
> within the 'negative'.
>
> Thanks markg

hi tom!
so apparently first texas did UP GRADE the legacy f-75 with l.t.d. components?
IF this is true,then one would surmise that there has been a "bit of a foul up somewhere!"

(h.h!)
j.t.

No...........no mistakes. Just simply up-grades as time goes forward. Most of these changes are 'burned' into the microprocessor chip.

as i suspected,and certainly cost effective as opposed to replacing the "mother " board,however in a'perfect" marketing scenario..present "legacy" 75 owners would "probably" prefer the "ltd" "burn" to avoid having to replace the entire detector!
i realize that marketing 'considerations",OR constraints,if you will,prevent this possible option from coming to fruition..still,hope springs eternal!

Jeb Wrote:
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> Well i would have thought the answers simple
> really.
> First Texas are a buisness . And as a business,
> is there to make money.
> First texas are not in the business to do us
> favours first and make money second. Its peoples
> livelyhood thats got to come into this.
>
> First Texas WILL obviously bring out different
> detector styles to sell detectors .
> If they just upgraded the very first batch of a
> model every so often, they`d end up never selling
> another detector of that type surely ?
>
> Can we really believe that First Texas can sit
> back and do upgrades on detectors rather than
> bring another "similar" detector out to the last
> ,but have more goodies added to it? is that
> seriously what you think they should do ? LoL.
> If i were a business advisor to First texas ,I`d
> be hitting the roof, if i found out they`d gone
> and simply "upgraded" their last model detector
> instead of bringing a completely new model out to
> sell .


White's did the upgrade thing a number of years ago with their original Eagle line. Jimmy Sierra dropped by our club meeting talking about the new Eagle II and the changes and why we would want to get them. Better depth, more stability and so forth. The were some hardware changes. But, for those not interested in an entirely new detector they were offering just a 'chip' update with the new software on it. If I remember right, it was less the $200 and could be installed by the local dealer. You got to keep the old chip if you wanted. Just like updating a computer to a faster processor.

White's made money on the new Eagle II's, White's made money on the upgrades. In the end, White's made money both ways. I don't think that anybody was expecting First Texas to do an upgrade for free.

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Just one more good target before I go.

With respect! First Texas arn`t Whites though .

I've not had the pleasure or pain of having to work with either First Texas' or White's repair department so I can't comment one way or the other for either of them.

The F75 -> F75 Ltd (and now Special Edition) upgrade definitely has some value that shouldn't be given away from a business standpoint. If it is only a software change, that software still has value. If somebody in the FT 'repair' department has been doing this as favors for some and not others, they've certainly dumped a can of worms on the owner's desk.

Not very good pub for FT, especially with how popular the F75 ltd's have been.

Perhaps somebody that knows the insides of the two detectors (hint) could comment on whether the upgrade is purely software, or if there is a needed change in the hardware components to make the software change work properly....

Then again, having those in the know commenting on the issue may spill more worms on the owner's desk...

Might be best to step away from this one and not get that stuff on my shoes.

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Just one more good target before I go.

The LTD has a new processor so there is at least one hardware difference. These things don't plug into a socket anymore, they're soldered directed in a surface mount configuration. So, at a minimum, the main circuit board would need to be replaced. The power supply circuit and board behind the display might be different too.

Whites had it all and then the V3 came out all the years some have waited for their new machine but they missed the boat and now fisher is King

LowBoy

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They should have not done the upgrade for a few F75 users but hey that is the way it goes. I really dig...no pun intended...Fisher! They did a great job with the F75 and now the LTD it is a great unit and lives up to hype. So to stay on top you have to have a new machine come out every few years. And you have to have one that works and is the next step. We have been subject to new detectors that come out with new features but they are not really the next step. I would think that if Fisher wants to stay on top their next flagship has to blow us away with something that has not been done before and it has to really work.

So for now I am hoping my dollars are working on that next new flagship. I will supprot Fisher as long as they make machines that help us find the history that is mixed in with iron or is being masked by trash. That is the hard history to find.

LowBoy

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Gonebeepin' Wrote:
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> Jeb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well i would have thought the answers simple
> > really.
> > First Texas are a buisness . And as a
> business,
> > is there to make money.
> > First texas are not in the business to do us
> > favours first and make money second. Its
> peoples
> > livelyhood thats got to come into this.
> >
> > First Texas WILL obviously bring out different
> > detector styles to sell detectors .
> > If they just upgraded the very first batch of a
> > model every so often, they`d end up never
> selling
> > another detector of that type surely ?
> >
> > Can we really believe that First Texas can sit
> > back and do upgrades on detectors rather than
> > bring another "similar" detector out to the
> last
> > ,but have more goodies added to it? is that
> > seriously what you think they should do ? LoL.
> > If i were a business advisor to First texas
> ,I`d
> > be hitting the roof, if i found out they`d gone
> > and simply "upgraded" their last model detector
> > instead of bringing a completely new model out
> to
> > sell .
>
>
> White's did the upgrade thing a number of years
> ago with their original Eagle line. Jimmy Sierra
> dropped by our club meeting talking about the new
> Eagle II and the changes and why we would want to
> get them. Better depth, more stability and so
> forth. The were some hardware changes. But, for
> those not interested in an entirely new detector
> they were offering just a 'chip' update with the
> new software on it. If I remember right, it was
> less the $200 and could be installed by the local
> dealer. You got to keep the old chip if you
> wanted. Just like updating a computer to a faster
> processor.
>
> White's made money on the new Eagle II's, White's
> made money on the upgrades. In the end, White's
> made money both ways. I don't think that anybody
> was expecting First Texas to do an upgrade for
> free.


this is absolutely correct!..i owned an eagle 1 and i believe if memory serves,the "chip" was available in '90 just a short time AFTER the eagle 1 made it's debut!.i also recall that the eagle 2 had additional "digital" features that DID indeed make it a more productive detector as opposed to the eagle 1..you are also correct in noting the price point of the "chip" at around 200.00..funny thing is i can remember something like this,however i CANNOT remember what happened yesterday..(hot damn!)..it sucks gettin' older!

(h.h!)
j.t.

Without ANY negative emotions................take improvements/advancements ANY WAY YOU CAN GET IT. Never condemn technological brainstorms.

Yes..........we can buy a hot computer,,,,,,,,,,only to find out a few days later ...that a new one will be released the next morning.

WELCOME TO LIFE!

technological improvements are the mainstay of the industry without question,however
the actual "marketing" of those improvements sometimes falls short of what the "consumer" actually desires!..that being said,.in the final analysis,one MUST understand,AND reluctantly ACCEPT that companies ARE in business to make money,and NOT to give anyone a "break"!..so to speak!..capitalism at it's finest!..still preferable to "socialism" ..thank god!

(h.h!)
j.t.