Is Drama the new tactic to stop discussion ?

Just as a general observation I've noticed that often when a topic (metal detecting related) gets good and no one seems to want to moderate it, it gets labeled 'Drama". Does anyone really know what drama is ? I understand if no one replies to this. After all who needs the drama.

"Drama" = "Hype" = "Mis-information" = usually bantered about by those members who continually fail to contribute anything informative to a thread discussion, yet have no problems misleading others about the product/products in question, as they are seen as a direct threat to their brand loyal manufacturer.........

you will find a gaggle of these specimens on the NOT so friendly forums.................where this very behaviour thrives

However reading back on what I have written appears to be a little dramatic - oh well WTF? lol

Don't you people have lives? Why must you keep bring up other forums? This forum has really good info and your types just add drama...

GTer Wrote:
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> Don't you people have lives? Why must you keep
> bring up other forums? This forum has really good
> info and your types just add drama...


It's called noise

GTer Wrote:
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> Don't you people have lives? Why must you keep
> bring up other forums? This forum has really good
> info and your types just add drama...


Fair enough response but this is a "metal detecting forum" and not just a "metal detector" forum. I realize most posts here are about metal detectors and I'm not complaining about that. My observations are concerning metal detecting sites in general and whether or not they are willing to let the members represent the hobby how they wish. They certainly do not have to and I would like those that want to limit discussion on issues to just be honest and admit why they limit them. Often rather than admitting that they are not interested in moderating the issues they will try to blame the people that bring the issues up or comment on them.

Drama on any forum is when someone starts an innocent thread asking specific questions that for what ever the reason, a few others look at it as an opportunity to interject things not pertaining to what the original poster was after, and it blooms into a name calling, mindless bantering of nonsense. Do these individuals not realize what harm they are causing in the process. The OP might be a new person to both the hobby, and to the forum, and by undermining the thread leaves this person with a bad taste in their mouth for both the hobby, and for trying to get the answers they seek. Normally I shy away from this type of needless hype, but it gets to a point when those of us that come to a forum looking for answers cringe at the thought of our thread, or question will be turned either against us, or make us feel inferior. To just ignore this behavior will do nothing to stop it. I'm sorry but I have to agree with GTer on this. If you love this hobby, then be a constructive contributor. Not someone who's main goal in life is to disrupt a potentially interesting conversation.

Sammyboy Wrote:
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> Drama on any forum is when someone starts an
> innocent thread asking specific questions that for
> what ever the reason, a few others look at it as
> an opportunity to interject things not pertaining
> to what the original poster was after, and it
> blooms into a name calling, mindless bantering of
> nonsense. Do these individuals not realize what
> harm they are causing in the process. The OP might
> be a new person to both the hobby, and to the
> forum, and by undermining the thread leaves this
> person with a bad taste in their mouth for both
> the hobby, and for trying to get the answers they
> seek. Normally I shy away from this type of
> needless hype, but it gets to a point when those
> of us that come to a forum looking for answers
> cringe at the thought of our thread, or question
> will be turned either against us, or make us feel
> inferior. To just ignore this behavior will do
> nothing to stop it. I'm sorry but I have to agree
> with GTer on this. If you love this hobby, then be
> a constructive contributor. Not someone who's main
> goal in life is to disrupt a potentially
> interesting conversation.
I'm currently involved in drama on this site. Sometimes there's a fork in the road and I take the lower trail. After all there may be some good hunting sites along the way? But yes some of my posts have little to do with detecting and for that I am sorry.

Sammyboy Wrote:
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> Drama on any forum is when someone starts an
> innocent thread asking specific questions that for
> what ever the reason, a few others look at it as
> an opportunity to interject things not pertaining
> to what the original poster was after, and it
> blooms into a name calling, mindless bantering of
> nonsense. Do these individuals not realize what
> harm they are causing in the process. The OP might
> be a new person to both the hobby, and to the
> forum, and by undermining the thread leaves this
> person with a bad taste in their mouth for both
> the hobby, and for trying to get the answers they
> seek. Normally I shy away from this type of
> needless hype, but it gets to a point when those
> of us that come to a forum looking for answers
> cringe at the thought of our thread, or question
> will be turned either against us, or make us feel
> inferior. To just ignore this behavior will do
> nothing to stop it. I'm sorry but I have to agree
> with GTer on this. If you love this hobby, then be
> a constructive contributor. Not someone who's main
> goal in life is to disrupt a potentially
> interesting conversation.

I'm on board with this,it's the reason I came to this forum. I glean more insight and meaningful info here than anywhere else,except maybe Geotech at times. I am admittedly RABID about detecting and want to know EVERY tiny morsel of useful info I can get. I also admit being a fanboy of my IDX at times,but that is partly due to my lack of worldliness using detectors and it's what I have and can afford. So,I like to point out sometimes that it IS still relevant,but certainly not for everyone! One of the biggest pieces of useful info I have learned through here and other forums is that most detectors are doing very similar things,albeit in differing ways at times. I can set my ground balance and tell my buddy with his ATPro what HIS ground balance is going to be,within 1-2 numbers. We compare signals and have yet to have a discrepancy in the readings,yet HOW those readings are interpreted by the user is the most important thing. I firmly believe a person using a capable detector can do 90-95% of what any other detector can do,when comparing VLF to VLF,etc. There are so many differences in environmental conditions....THAT is where the real challenge comes in.
No drama here,I love KNOWING stuff,especially about detecting!!

IDXMonster Wrote:
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> Sammyboy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Drama on any forum is when someone starts an
> > innocent thread asking specific questions that
> for
> > what ever the reason, a few others look at it
> as
> > an opportunity to interject things not
> pertaining
> > to what the original poster was after, and it
> > blooms into a name calling, mindless bantering
> of
> > nonsense. Do these individuals not realize what
> > harm they are causing in the process. The OP
> might
> > be a new person to both the hobby, and to the
> > forum, and by undermining the thread leaves
> this
> > person with a bad taste in their mouth for both
> > the hobby, and for trying to get the answers
> they
> > seek. Normally I shy away from this type of
> > needless hype, but it gets to a point when
> those
> > of us that come to a forum looking for answers
> > cringe at the thought of our thread, or
> question
> > will be turned either against us, or make us
> feel
> > inferior. To just ignore this behavior will do
> > nothing to stop it. I'm sorry but I have to
> agree
> > with GTer on this. If you love this hobby, then
> be
> > a constructive contributor. Not someone who's
> main
> > goal in life is to disrupt a potentially
> > interesting conversation.
>
> I'm on board with this,it's the reason I came to
> this forum. I glean more insight and meaningful
> info here than anywhere else,except maybe Geotech
> at times. I am admittedly RABID about detecting
> and want to know EVERY tiny morsel of useful info
> I can get. I also admit being a fanboy of my IDX
> at times,but that is partly due to my lack of
> worldliness using detectors and it's what I have
> and can afford. So,I like to point out sometimes
> that it IS still relevant,but certainly not for
> everyone! One of the biggest pieces of useful info
> I have learned through here and other forums is
> that most detectors are doing very similar
> things,albeit in differing ways at times. I can
> set my ground balance and tell my buddy with his
> ATPro what HIS ground balance is going to
> be,within 1-2 numbers. We compare signals and have
> yet to have a discrepancy in the readings,yet HOW
> those readings are interpreted by the user is the
> most important thing. I firmly believe a person
> using a capable detector can do 90-95% of what any
> other detector can do,when comparing VLF to
> VLF,etc. There are so many differences in
> environmental conditions....THAT is where the real
> challenge comes in.
> No drama here,I love KNOWING stuff,especially
> about detecting!!

A detector is certainly an important part of the detecting hobby.

GTer Wrote:
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> Don't you people have lives? Why must you keep
> bring up other forums? This forum has really good
> info and your types just add drama...


Pretty dramatic post there, but I like drama,especially when it is metal detecting related. I can't speak for all of us "types" as you put it but can see where my interests may add drama. I don't see how the really good info that you talk about is any more important than some of the other issues that effect the hobby though.

Stirring the pot again kemper?

Kemper I for one like your style as you tell it like it is. I guess that's the way my Family has always been. If we like something we tell you so. If we don't like something we tell you so.

I'm confused - who said what where, to who and what did they say/do as a result??

No, on second thought, I don't really care. Got anything about metal detectors or metal detecting? Just asking.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Kemper Wrote:
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> Just as a general observation I've noticed that
> often when a topic (metal detecting related) gets
> good and no one seems to want to moderate it, it
> gets labeled 'Drama". Does anyone really know what
> drama is ? I understand if no one replies to this.
> After all who needs the drama.
dam somebody needs another drink, or one less drink. Been detecting lately?

The opposite seems to work also.... to stop or reroute drama around here in my world, we call the drama queen 'Sara Bernhardt'. My guess we use a feminine name is because it's usually the females who dramatize.

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> Kemper I for one like your style as you tell it
> like it is. I guess that's the way my Family has
> always been. If we like something we tell you so.
> If we don't like something we tell you so.


Thanks Harold. Of course I don't take that as always looking for something to gripe about,but nothing wrong with bringing up or commenting on an issue.

deathray Wrote:
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> Stirring the pot again kemper?


A person has to watch what they admit to.

Nailed-it Wrote:
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> Kemper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just as a general observation I've noticed that
> > often when a topic (metal detecting related)
> gets
> > good and no one seems to want to moderate it,
> it
> > gets labeled 'Drama". Does anyone really know
> what
> > drama is ? I understand if no one replies to
> this.
> > After all who needs the drama.
> dam somebody needs another drink, or one less
> drink. Been detecting lately?

Yeah. I have been some. Found a neat old U.S.N. lock the other day. Had a rough winter and couldn't get out much. Had a little break earlier this year and got off the computer and hunted a rental lot. Got a silver dime and a nice brass watch fob from St. Joe mines. Came home,threw the detector in he corner and said to myself "Damn Kemper,you the man" I do this stuff to myself sometimes.

Drama is best suited for teen girls . Not many of those on this forum but now and again we get a new member who plays the part......

I just want to learn all I can about detecting. If you want drama go to the views section at Findmall. On second thought there is no drama there either. If you disagree with them you are either deleted or banned. But that is what the owner wants so he gets it. Here I think we want to discuss detecting.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/10/2015 01:41PM by goodmore.

Drama = result of Trolls. Take note!

Sammyboy Wrote:
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> Drama on any forum is when someone starts an
> innocent thread asking specific questions that for
> what ever the reason, a few others look at it as
> an opportunity to interject things not pertaining
> to what the original poster was after, and it
> blooms into a name calling, mindless bantering of
> nonsense. Do these individuals not realize what
> harm they are causing in the process. The OP might
> be a new person to both the hobby, and to the
> forum, and by undermining the thread leaves this
> person with a bad taste in their mouth for both
> the hobby, and for trying to get the answers they
> seek. Normally I shy away from this type of
> needless hype, but it gets to a point when those
> of us that come to a forum looking for answers
> cringe at the thought of our thread, or question
> will be turned either against us, or make us feel
> inferior. To just ignore this behavior will do
> nothing to stop it. I'm sorry but I have to agree
> with GTer on this. If you love this hobby, then be
> a constructive contributor. Not someone who's main
> goal in life is to disrupt a potentially
> interesting conversation.

That's what happened to me. I brought up an idea that was so radical that certain people felt the need to attack ME rather than discuss the idea("discuss the idea" was what I really wanted in the first place). Since that distasteful event, I've kept quiet on certain topics and limited my topics to the more technical aspect of the hobby.

Usually the reason "drama" is generated by a person, is to improve their self worth, or to gain favor with other forum members. So "they" may start drama just to bring attention to themselves.

These are general comments not tied to anything or anyone regarding this topic.

Bey

[psychcentral.com] pay attention to the second paragraph. It seems to me as a casual member/reader of Dankowski's and 6 other detecting and treasure hunting forums for some reason I cannot avoid reading your threads. I try all my might to avert my eyes, but I keep getting sucked in. With all you have to offer forums I can't understand how you managed to get banned from somewhere between four and six of them. I suspect a grand conspiracy. Those cursed administrators and all those pesky moderators gave you the bums rush just because you cluttered up their forums with a few hundred you tube videos and never ending drama threads. What nerve of them, With all you have to offer with your wit and charm you would think they would be giving you free rein and a piece if the action. Dollar wise I mean.

Now if I were running a forum the only reason I would give someone the bums rush would be for abusing the quote button. Happy hunting everyone Bubba..

DFXer Wrote:
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> [psychcentral.com]
> -of-grandeur/ pay attention to the second
> paragraph. It seems to me as a casual
> member/reader of Dankowski's and 6 other
> detecting and treasure hunting forums for some
> reason I cannot avoid reading your threads. I try
> all my might to avert my eyes, but I keep getting
> sucked in. With all you have to offer forums I
> can't understand how you managed to get banned
> from somewhere between four and six of them. I
> suspect a grand conspiracy. Those cursed
> administrators and all those pesky moderators
> gave you the bums rush just because you cluttered
> up their forums with a few hundred you tube videos
> and never ending drama threads. What nerve of
> them, With all you have to offer with your wit and
> charm you would think they would be giving you
> free rein and a piece if the action. Dollar wise
> I mean.
>
> Now if I were running a forum the only reason I
> would give someone the bums rush would be for
> abusing the quote button. Happy hunting everyone
> Bubba..

As for the second paragraph you referenced--"People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate." I Certainly don't have a delusion of grander. You may think that because all the forum women think I'm hot but that's just because I treat them like the attractive,intelligent beings they are. Just ask my wife.

I'll touch lightly on some of your other points only because you brought them up. I'll try not to bring "trouble" from other forums here but will say I am banned from Friendly as was discussed earlier on this forum. I am banned from Liberty (which is owned by Friendly) with no explanation given. I am banned from Findmall without making a post. I did go there and register as Mr K (using the same IP address as I always do) to set the record straight and take up for them when someone was trashing them at Friendly. I believe those couple posts are still there. I am not banned from Tnet but did serve a 30 day suspension for a comment I made. That comment is available at detectingunderground. I am not back on Tnet because my wife registered when I received the 30 days and they gave me another 60 days for the fact that she registered.

But don't think ,as you've indicated, that I have any bad feelings as I understand that these forums can do as they wish. When someone says something about me on an open forum or runs threads about me when a forum is not open to me I feel it is fair to respond and I do. I don't expect free "rein" as you put it and if you have anything other than opinion to substantiate your claims feel free to bring it on. I'll try not to start another "Drama" thread ,whatever that is. I've started a lot of other metal detecting threads. You may not be familiar with them because these damn forum people aren't always into that stuff. Furthermore the videos I post and posted are in connection with the thread they are on. Not everybody likes videos but they don't have to watch them but I'll keep pushing on ---[www.youtube.com]

and to think this used to be a nice forum to come and discuss metal detecting.....

Still is. Just need to avoid these threads.

silverhound Wrote:
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> Drama is best suited for teen girls . Not many of
> those on this forum but now and again we get a new
> member who plays the part......


Aint that the truth.

I dont see much difference between unkemper post,and all the foreign spam we get here.

Under a new rule at another forum a lot of the posts on this thread would get an automatic 30 day suspension given to the poster. . I have no problem with them but I hope everyone is appreciative of the opportunities they have. How one uses those is up to the individual. The original topic of this thread is what people consider to be drama on various moderated sites. Some of you are on point. Some of you I would have to consider drama creators.

GTer Wrote:
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> Don't you people have lives? Why must you keep
> bring up other forums? This forum has really good
> info and your types just add drama...


"drama" is good it cuts through and clarifies not unlike
"greed".hey! didn't gordon gecko say that?.ehe! he! he! he!

(h.h.!)
j.t.