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Doing OK but getting KILLED in the trash...am I trying too hard??
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Re: Doing OK but getting KILLED in the trash...am I trying too hard?? June 15, 2015 02:57AM |
Lawrenzo Wrote:
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> Try the F19 or the racer and the 5x10 and the 5"
> great in trash
Not the answer I was looking for...
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> Try the F19 or the racer and the 5x10 and the 5"
> great in trash
Not the answer I was looking for...
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Re: Doing OK but getting KILLED in the trash...am I trying too hard?? June 15, 2015 03:48AM |
Hombre Wrote:
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> or take your remaining IDX Pro and see what it
> will do at that site........
LOL!! It was in the car with the 5.3 Randy...and don't think I didn't think about it! I already know what THAT setup can do,I want to know if the Explorer can do it better. Maybe it can,but not with ME at the wheel right now....WOW!! I haven't felt this helpless in awhile,partially because I know it's ME that's most of the problem. My wife tells me that too so I'm OK with that...
Until I get a suitable coil that will achieve the depth I think I need for the Explorer the IDX will indeed be the machine in hand if I want to go in the bad trash,I've proven that works and works really well many times. I'm just trying to go deeper yet. Aren't we all.....
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> or take your remaining IDX Pro and see what it
> will do at that site........
LOL!! It was in the car with the 5.3 Randy...and don't think I didn't think about it! I already know what THAT setup can do,I want to know if the Explorer can do it better. Maybe it can,but not with ME at the wheel right now....WOW!! I haven't felt this helpless in awhile,partially because I know it's ME that's most of the problem. My wife tells me that too so I'm OK with that...
Until I get a suitable coil that will achieve the depth I think I need for the Explorer the IDX will indeed be the machine in hand if I want to go in the bad trash,I've proven that works and works really well many times. I'm just trying to go deeper yet. Aren't we all.....
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Re: Doing OK but getting KILLED in the trash...am I trying too hard?? June 15, 2015 05:02AM |
IDXMonster --
My advice (and I don't think you will) is DO NOT give up on the Explorer.
Running at 16 sensitivity, you are not getting everything out of the Explorer. I run mine on manual, and as "maxed out" as I can get -- usually 30 or above, almost NEVER lower than 28. Otherwise, I run Bryce's settings WITH ONE TWEAK -- I run my gain at 7, whereas Bryce runs maxed at 10. At 7, I find I get better hints for my ears as to when a target is deep, versus shallow. And for me, THIS is a big key. I'll get to that in a minute.
As for nulling -- at many sites I hunt, YES there is nulling; often, the nulling is mineralized ground, rust flecks, nails, etc -- assuming you are running Bryce's IM 22 setting. BUT -- just because it is "nulling," doesn't mean the machine is DEAD. It is not "shut down" just because it is nulling...it took me a long time to get comfortable with that concept, but it can still find coins while "nulling." Moving slower, when the nulling is significant, helps.
As for why I say the lower gain is key. For me, you have to learn the "language" of the Explorer, and for me, the ONLY way to do that is dig a TON of trash, over time, until you learn intuitively what a trash target sounds and IDs like, and what a good target sounds and IDs like. Explorers are simply "ears" machines; there are 31 different tones, and it's in the behavior of these tones where the Explorer's "language" lies. Eventually, you will get to the point where most of the "noise" you hear is simply background "nothing," sort of like a form of "threshold." Once you get to the point where you are hunting through the noise and really not even hearing it, but then you hear a specific tone/sound amongst the other noise that "stops you dead in your tracks," THEN you know that you have gotten to the point where you truly "know" the machine, have learned it's language, and are ready to use it as a weapon (instead of IT being the "weapon" that has waged "blitzkrieg" war on your ears and your brain!
) Anyway, back to the "gain" thing -- I want my gain lower (but not too low), so that deeper signals are more subtle and "quiet" than shallow ones. What this does is give your ears another clue to focus on. Deep iron is usually still very LOUD. Even though a bent rusty nail may mimic a coin at times, it is often a "louder" (harsher) signal than what a coin would present at a similar depth. But lowering the gain is what, for me, helps to allow this differentiation to be made. Otherwise, with all targets at basically the same volume (which is what maxed out gain causes), things are more difficult. There is a soft, warbly whisper that gets my adrenaline going -- and that sound is "aided" (for me) buy running gain at about 75%. Bryce swears that gain at 7 or 8 would make the deep coin sounds too quiet for him to hear, and he'd miss them totally. I don't have that problem; it's actually a huge HELP for me, to have those deep coins "quieted down" from the cacaphony of noise. It's part of what I listen for specifically, when "deep coin hunting." BTW -- I use SunRay Pro Gold headphones, and they REALLY help, vs. the stock Koss phones (though the Koss phones aren't "BAD," they just aren't as good).
Hopefully, some of this helps you out. Bottom line, you have to learn the language, and there's no shortcut that I know of. Eventually, if you give it the time, you will find that the Explorers are GREAT at allowing you NOT to dig trash (again, due to the "rich" language expressed through all those sounds); but, you can't "not" dig the trash until you dig enough of it to learn what the trash SOUNDS LIKE on an Explorer.
I apologize if this sounds like "talking down" to you at times. I'm guessing you are a really experienced guy, but don't know, so I wasn't sure quite how to word it appropriately. Forgive me if my words come across as "beneath you" in any way. I'm just trying to convey some info as best as I can.
Let me know if you have more questions, and I'll try to help. I'm not an "expert," but I've been swinging mine for over 4 years now, so not a "novice" either (though still learning -- and still have some of my own questions, as you'll see when I post one here shortly!)
Steve
My advice (and I don't think you will) is DO NOT give up on the Explorer.
Running at 16 sensitivity, you are not getting everything out of the Explorer. I run mine on manual, and as "maxed out" as I can get -- usually 30 or above, almost NEVER lower than 28. Otherwise, I run Bryce's settings WITH ONE TWEAK -- I run my gain at 7, whereas Bryce runs maxed at 10. At 7, I find I get better hints for my ears as to when a target is deep, versus shallow. And for me, THIS is a big key. I'll get to that in a minute.
As for nulling -- at many sites I hunt, YES there is nulling; often, the nulling is mineralized ground, rust flecks, nails, etc -- assuming you are running Bryce's IM 22 setting. BUT -- just because it is "nulling," doesn't mean the machine is DEAD. It is not "shut down" just because it is nulling...it took me a long time to get comfortable with that concept, but it can still find coins while "nulling." Moving slower, when the nulling is significant, helps.
As for why I say the lower gain is key. For me, you have to learn the "language" of the Explorer, and for me, the ONLY way to do that is dig a TON of trash, over time, until you learn intuitively what a trash target sounds and IDs like, and what a good target sounds and IDs like. Explorers are simply "ears" machines; there are 31 different tones, and it's in the behavior of these tones where the Explorer's "language" lies. Eventually, you will get to the point where most of the "noise" you hear is simply background "nothing," sort of like a form of "threshold." Once you get to the point where you are hunting through the noise and really not even hearing it, but then you hear a specific tone/sound amongst the other noise that "stops you dead in your tracks," THEN you know that you have gotten to the point where you truly "know" the machine, have learned it's language, and are ready to use it as a weapon (instead of IT being the "weapon" that has waged "blitzkrieg" war on your ears and your brain!
) Anyway, back to the "gain" thing -- I want my gain lower (but not too low), so that deeper signals are more subtle and "quiet" than shallow ones. What this does is give your ears another clue to focus on. Deep iron is usually still very LOUD. Even though a bent rusty nail may mimic a coin at times, it is often a "louder" (harsher) signal than what a coin would present at a similar depth. But lowering the gain is what, for me, helps to allow this differentiation to be made. Otherwise, with all targets at basically the same volume (which is what maxed out gain causes), things are more difficult. There is a soft, warbly whisper that gets my adrenaline going -- and that sound is "aided" (for me) buy running gain at about 75%. Bryce swears that gain at 7 or 8 would make the deep coin sounds too quiet for him to hear, and he'd miss them totally. I don't have that problem; it's actually a huge HELP for me, to have those deep coins "quieted down" from the cacaphony of noise. It's part of what I listen for specifically, when "deep coin hunting." BTW -- I use SunRay Pro Gold headphones, and they REALLY help, vs. the stock Koss phones (though the Koss phones aren't "BAD," they just aren't as good).
Hopefully, some of this helps you out. Bottom line, you have to learn the language, and there's no shortcut that I know of. Eventually, if you give it the time, you will find that the Explorers are GREAT at allowing you NOT to dig trash (again, due to the "rich" language expressed through all those sounds); but, you can't "not" dig the trash until you dig enough of it to learn what the trash SOUNDS LIKE on an Explorer.
I apologize if this sounds like "talking down" to you at times. I'm guessing you are a really experienced guy, but don't know, so I wasn't sure quite how to word it appropriately. Forgive me if my words come across as "beneath you" in any way. I'm just trying to convey some info as best as I can.
Let me know if you have more questions, and I'll try to help. I'm not an "expert," but I've been swinging mine for over 4 years now, so not a "novice" either (though still learning -- and still have some of my own questions, as you'll see when I post one here shortly!)
Steve