The hypocrisy of this board towards certain detectors is incredible.

Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil issues.....

[www.findmall.com]

OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a detector with problems...lol



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2016 08:18PM by cadman.

My original post here was entered for good reason(s).

Since circumstances have changed I deleted the original.

Cheers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2016 08:28PM by tnsharpshooter.

WOW! The great Racer? Say it ain't so?

You must have missed all the posts on the forum made by people bashing the tones issue on the MXSport (sarcasm)... Mostly by people that had no intention of buying a MXSport...

I just think it is funny that the Racer 1 had coil ear issues and now the Racer 2 seems to have the same problem. I am just waiting on the people that bashed the Whites to start bashing the Racer... for a known problem..

That is all...lol

cadman Wrote:
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> You must have missed all the posts on the forum
> made by people bashing the tones issue on the
> MXSport (sarcasm)... Mostly by people that had no
> intention of buying a MXSport...
>
> I just think it is funny that the Racer 1 had coil
> ear issues and now the Racer 2 seems to have the
> same problem. I am just waiting on the people that
> bashed the Whites to start bashing the Racer...
> for a known problem..
>
> That is all...lol

It would have been hard for me to indeed miss all the post concerning the MX Sport problems--- it was I here that posted the link indentfying/ talking about the problems.

So back to the Makro,,, the customer with problem seems is getting help from manufacturer to resolve his matter.
The 5x10 coil,,,I may be wrong here in saying--- but it is not Racer 2 specific,,,, I think that particular has not changed per se,, unlike the stock 7x11" coil provided with Racer 2.

The coils-- all made for either Racer1 and Racer 2 are interchangeable-- meaning they will function.

Maybe Keith will chime in and straighten me out if I am wrong.

I want folks to talk about any issues they experience with their detectors-- no matter which brand/ model.

Good constructive criticism is good for the industry and good for the customers.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2016 03:01PM by tnsharpshooter.

The 5x10" coil was released back with the Racer 1. It was out way before the Racer 2 was released. There were some issues with the Racer 1 standard 7 x 11" coil tabs breaking and also the 5 x 10 coil tabs. I have not see, heard, or experienced a coil issue on the Racer 2.

These days it's hard to get everything right but as long as it gets taken care of and the machine is preforming to your liking and the company is going to make good on it...then I'm OK with these bumps in the dirt..

LowBoy

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cadman Wrote:
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> Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil
> issues.....
>
> [www.findmall.com]
> 34#msg-2281934
>
> OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a
> detector with problems...lol


Hello. I need to chime in here... This is NOT a Racer 2 coil. This is a RC26 coil that was also supplied with the Racer and checking the serial number, this is one of the early ones.
I kindly ask this thread to be deleted or changed. Customers who do not click on the thread and read the posts may think that we have an issue with the Racer 2 coils.
We do not want customers to be misled.

Nokta Detectors Wrote:
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> cadman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil
> > issues.....
> >
> >
> [www.findmall.com]
>
> > 34#msg-2281934
> >
> > OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a
> > detector with problems...lol
>
>
> Hello. I need to chime in here... This is NOT a
> Racer 2 coil. This is a RC26 coil that was also
> supplied with the Racer and checking the serial
> number, this is one of the early ones.
> I kindly ask this thread to be deleted or changed.
> Customers who do not click on the thread and read
> the posts may think that we have an issue with the
> Racer 2 coils.
> We do not want customers to be misled.


Exactly! Not a Racer 2 issue at all. Rather, a known defect in some early Racer coils that has been and is taken care of by Makro.

cadman Wrote:
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> Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil
> issues.....
>
> [www.findmall.com]
> 34#msg-2281934
>
> OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a
> detector with problems...lol


At least have some knowledge of what your posting prior to trying to defame a detector. The coil you're pointing out is not per se a Racer2 coil, it was release over a year ago for the Racer1 and so happens to also work on the Racer 2, so this is not a Racer 2 issue, it's an optional coil issue.

Back to your normally scheduled insanity....

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> WOW! The great Racer? Say it ain't so?


About right...

well there ya go.... Nokta is right, people may see the title or first post of this thread and go no further just as Cadman did when he looked at the thread he is referring to.. if Cadman would have read the entire post/thread then THIS thread would not have been started...

Actually I could care less about the Racer... I am making a point about the MXSport bashers on this forum...

basstrackerman Wrote:
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> well there ya go.... Nokta is right, people may
> see the title or first post of this thread and go
> no further just as Cadman did when he looked at
> the thread he is referring to.. if Cadman would
> have read the entire post/thread then THIS thread
> would not have been started...

Actually I did read the entire post, nowhere does he mention that it is an old coil....

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> cadman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil
> > issues.....
> >
> >
> [www.findmall.com]
>
> > 34#msg-2281934
> >
> > OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a
> > detector with problems...lol
>
>
> At least have some knowledge of what your posting
> prior to trying to defame a detector. The coil
> you're pointing out is not per se a Racer2 coil,
> it was release over a year ago for the Racer1 and
> so happens to also work on the Racer 2, so this is
> not a Racer 2 issue, it's an optional coil issue.
>
> Back to your normally scheduled insanity....

Like I said not trying to defame a detector, trying to point out the hypocrisy of some of the posters on this board...

I knew that Whites Thread would create Controversy..

I can address the 5x10 from what I know..

The 5x10 has had issues of Brittle plastic..I have a New one Just sent to me to replace a older broke one..Its beefier on the ears and reinforced..and seems to be of a more Poly Plastic instead of hard plastic..It's still of the Injection molded design...

The Stock Racer coil's 7x11 has been changed to the Vacuum formed epoxy filled coil...Indestructible feel...The R2 comes with this Vacuum coil ..It never had the 7x11 Brittle plastic Injection molded coil like the R1 had..



Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

"I knew that Whites Thread would create Controversy.. "

LOL well, if it wasn't for controversy, we would be robots!

ummm,, that is my thread on findmall. I dont know how you got from that it was my r2 coil I specifically stated it was my 5x10 and that I had to put my new r2 coil on after that in order to finish the day. I have had that coil for awhile. I only posted about it breaking because I was unware there were 5x10 coils with any issues. Dilek was quick to reply to my email and she let me know my coil was from a bad batch of a few from a while back. She asked for my info and is already getting one out to me. I think they handled it awesome and made sure I thanked them for it in that same thread.

It was in no way intended to bash but to let others know that maybe there were some of those coils out there that were bad(which I found out was already known).

THIS THREAD SHOULD DEFINATELY EITHER BE DELETED OR HAVE THE TITLE CHANGED.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2016 06:15PM by bigboar.

cadman Wrote:
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> Actually I could care less about the Racer... I am
> making a point about the MXSport bashers on this
> forum...


I suspected as much--- and the reason for my first response here,, in this thread.

Cadman,

Here's the deal, I am going to list every detector I've had or currently have,,and all you have to do is ask me,, what I do like and what I don't like about any one you choose or more than one if you want.

I will certainly tell the truth-- hand over heart.

Before I provide a list of the detectors,,,please change your title to your ( this) thread,,,to reflect actual facts presented by both Makro representative, Keith, and maybe others.

Makro Fors CoRe
Makro Racer
Xp Deus 9" coil
Xp Desu 11" coil
Blisstool V6
F75 se
F75 DST
White/' V3i
Garrett ATX
Minelab Xs explorer
Minelab Etrac
Minelab CTX

Anyone, even you Cadman,, you want a mini review of any of these-- the good, the bad, and the ugly,,, I can do.
Folks can asked publicly or via pm,,doesn't matter to me.

And if I do respond privately to someone--- the information I provide,,,can be made public as far as I am concerned--- even here on this forum.

No Hippocrit here,,, I don't like hypocrisy,.. I see it too much with our politicians --- but that discussion will have to wait another day and and be done on a different forum.

To close,,, if you will look at some of my post history here,, you will notice I have been critical of quite a few detectors,,and yes even some manufacturers.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2016 07:12PM by tnsharpshooter.

cadman Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > cadman Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil
> > > issues.....
> > >
> > >
> >
> [www.findmall.com]
>
> >
> > > 34#msg-2281934
> > >
> > > OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a
> > > detector with problems...lol
> >
> >
> > At least have some knowledge of what your
> posting
> > prior to trying to defame a detector. The coil
> > you're pointing out is not per se a Racer2
> coil,
> > it was release over a year ago for the Racer1
> and
> > so happens to also work on the Racer 2, so this
> is
> > not a Racer 2 issue, it's an optional coil
> issue.
> >
> > Back to your normally scheduled insanity....
>
> Like I said not trying to defame a detector,
> trying to point out the hypocrisy of some of the
> posters on this board...

Well cadman I was going to order an mxsport but after seeing and hearing the problems whites was having with it then I backed out.. I've been a whites user since 1978 and know that over last few years they have had issues with tones and personnel etc. So several of us have held off til whites figures things out.. That don't make us hypocrites, just cautious..

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> cadman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually I could care less about the Racer... I
> am
> > making a point about the MXSport bashers on
> this
> > forum...
>
>
> I suspected as much--- and the reason for my first
> response here,, in this thread.
>
> Cadman,
>
> Here's the deal, I am going to list every detector
> I've had or currently have,,and all you have to do
> is ask me,, what I do like and what I don't like
> about any one you choose or more than one if you
> want.
>
> I will certainly tell the truth-- hand over
> heart.
>
> Before I provide a list of the detectors,,,please
> change your title to your ( this) thread,,,to
> reflect actual facts presented by both Makro
> representative, Keith, and maybe others.
>
> Makro Fors CoRe
> Makro Racer
> Xp Deus 9" coil
> Xp Desu 11" coil
> Blisstool V6
> F75 se
> F75 DST
> White/' V3i
> Garrett ATX
> Minelab Xs explorer
> Minelab Etrac
> Minelab CTX
>
> Anyone, even you Cadman,, you want a mini review
> of any of these-- the good, the bad, and the
> ugly,,, I can do.
> Folks can asked publicly or via pm,,doesn't matter
> to me.
>
> And if I do respond privately to someone--- the
> information I provide,,,can be made public as far
> as I am concerned--- even here on this forum.
>
> No Hippocrit here,,, I don't like hypocrisy,.. I
> see it too much with our politicians --- but that
> discussion will have to wait another day and and
> be done on a different forum.
>
> To close,,, if you will look at some of my post
> history here,, you will notice I have been
> critical of quite a few detectors,,and yes even
> some manufacturers.

Actually, I have all the detectors you show except for:

Makro Fors CoRe
Makro Racer
Blisstool V6
Garrett ATX

Plus about 20 others..... The ones that you have that I don't, I don't have any interest in... Thanks for the offer of reviewing them though.

basstrackerman Wrote:
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> cadman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cal_cobra Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > cadman Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Looks like the Racer 2 still has some coil
> > > > issues.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> [www.findmall.com]
>
> >
> > >
> > > > 34#msg-2281934
> > > >
> > > > OK, now lets all bash Makro for releasing a
> > > > detector with problems...lol
> > >
> > >
> > > At least have some knowledge of what your
> > posting
> > > prior to trying to defame a detector. The
> coil
> > > you're pointing out is not per se a Racer2
> > coil,
> > > it was release over a year ago for the Racer1
> > and
> > > so happens to also work on the Racer 2, so
> this
> > is
> > > not a Racer 2 issue, it's an optional coil
> > issue.
> > >
> > > Back to your normally scheduled insanity....
> >
> > Like I said not trying to defame a detector,
> > trying to point out the hypocrisy of some of
> the
> > posters on this board...
>
> Well cadman I was going to order an mxsport but
> after seeing and hearing the problems whites was
> having with it then I backed out.. I've been a
> whites user since 1978 and know that over last few
> years they have had issues with tones and
> personnel etc. So several of us have held off til
> whites figures things out.. That don't make us
> hypocrites, just cautious..

I didn't say all the posters, just some of them.

I have changed the title of this thread to promote goodwill....

You want to see hypocrisy, really check out the other forums what you can and cannot post. Heck the NSFMDF, if it hasn't got AT or CT in front of the detector name you and yer detector are just a stinking turd lol. When I saw the post over there at first sight I knew it was one of the originals.

I don't think there isn't a person on this forum that wouldn't love to see Whites hit a home run with a detector release. A great American company that has been the very backbone of our hobby for decades. My problem was not with the release of the detector in question it was with the people that gave it a favorable review. I hope the detector leads you to many great finds in the future.

YES - a super responsive company that cares about their customers! Dilek jumped on the issue and is rectifying the situation. This is all I need to know.


Already got a reply from Dilek. Mine is one of the ones from the bad batch according to its serial #. They are taking care of it. Thanks Dilek and Makro.

My stock coil on my racer broke and Makro sent me a new one and a baseball cap.never even needed to send on my broke coil back.Long live makro/nokta they are bias for good reason

Well,
This forum seems like a great place for info.

One can actually depending on the title choose to read or not.

There are no automatic mouse buttons, cursor positioning--- that makes a person read any certain thread,,,indeed they read because they choose.

Now folks here do render their opinions, based on their esperiences and what they have heard and read.

As long as it is the truth posted,,, no matter the subject as long as it is detecting related--- this all good

Will certain manufacturers and or certain model(s) detectors face more scrutiny and be criticized and be talked about more than some others???

Certainly,,and the reasons for this can be many, like great performance, poor performance, cost, weight, operability, and many more reasons why.

One thing I think we can all agree on--- "Closet Queen" detectors rarely break,,, just as not many lawn mowers break down in the winter time.

I realize some here are more brand loyal than others,,, and there is nothing at all wrong with this,,,.we probably all have our " race horse" of some kind-- be it autos, detectors, guns, TVs, etc

But having a race horse detector and having great feelings toward it--- One should not get overly excited when they see their horse being ridden hard.... Why?? Because believe it or not riding a horse hard can many times in the long run--- make the horse have more stamina,,, be a better performer while on the track.

I cherish folks opinions here,, and I think there are loads of mutual respect that goes on. Sure some hear are seemingly more introverted, or place their comments definitely more wisely than some others,, but there are loads of information and opinion exchange that takes place here.

This forum,, sure isn't the kiddy forum,,,folks here,, I remember some time back when folks revealed their age and occupations past and present--- I was shocked to see just how much talent overall from a community perspective the folks have and are contributing.

I think most folks here,,, when they spot through use and or review--- an overly great performing detecting or even a great detector related accessory,,.. they will talk, and discuss, and brag.

At the same time,,, when they spot a product that doesn't meet expectations or doesn't satisfy them---- opinion alarm bells sound.

There is no perfect detector,,at least I haven't discovered yet in my relatively short detecting career,,, I am still hoping and looking though.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2016 09:20PM by tnsharpshooter.

Jesse Wrote:
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> My stock coil on my racer broke and Makro sent me
> a new one and a baseball cap.never even needed to
> send on my broke coil back.Long live makro/nokta
> they are bias for good reason


When they have been in business for 66 years and have some of the best customer service around (if not the best) then you can crow...lol

All whites has to do for me is put the V3i in a lighter package and give the option for 3 freq pinpoint while in single freq search!