When you hear the words, "Sleeper Machine" what comes to your mind?

I think of several of the older Tesoros & a couple older, cheaper Fishers.

.......an old Compass 77B and others from the same stable.

The 'Red Baron' VLF/SPD from Bounty Hunter!
AH Pro 'Backpacker
AH Pro "Pro ll - Manual

You guys are "too young" to remember any of these heh heh heh!!!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2016 05:29PM by Des D.

Red baron was my first real detector Des!

in 79/80 I believe it was..

my first detector was a Mustang By Jetco..

The Baron was awesome..WAY better than the BFO Mustang LOL..

I ran that Baron for a decade never tore up....till I got hold of a Pantera..then the world changed.I discovered masking in iron by accident..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Red baron was my first real detector Des!
>
> in 79/80 I believe it was..
>
> my first detector was a Mustang By Jetco..
>
> The Baron was awesome..WAY better than the BFO
> Mustang LOL..
>
> I ran that Baron for a decade never tore
> up....till I got hold of a Pantera..then the world
> changed.I discovered masking in iron by
> accident..
>
> Keith


theys was great at findin' license plates! had a "relco"
and it got me some real old ones! (lol),,he! he! he!
didn't look like much,but had a 'cockin' good motor!"

(h.h!)
j.t.

Des D Wrote:
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> .......an old Compass 77B and others from the same
> stable.
>
> The 'Red Baron' VLF/SPD from Bounty Hunter!
> AH Pro 'Backpacker
> AH Pro "Pro ll - Manual
>
> You guys are "too young" to remember any of these
> heh heh heh!!!!!

Come off it Des, Your only 21, you've had Cosmetic Surgery to look like that, Lol

John

Des D Wrote:
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> .......an old Compass 77B and others from the same
> stable.
>
> The 'Red Baron' VLF/SPD from Bounty Hunter!
> AH Pro 'Backpacker
> AH Pro "Pro ll - Manual
>
> You guys are "too young" to remember any of these
> heh heh heh!!!!!

Come off it Des, Your only 21, you've had Cosmetic Surgery to look like that, Lol

And you Only had that done coz they wouldn't let you in the Pub

John

The best sleeper machine in my book would be Fisher 1236x2 or a Tesoro Sidewinder Umax both of those machines blew my mind with finds in iron and trash what's funny is neither have manual Ground Balance but both still got good depth in my soil which is the same as Keith Southern's

yup! had a "silver u-max" and gotta tell ya straight,damn thing could 'sniff" coins!
didn't have (g.b.) but would still get 6 ,or 7 " on a dime in most places i hunted!
just a 'crackerjack" unit along with the compadre for 'short" money!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Tesero Golden Sabre.
> That thing lets you know when you hit Silver.

I agree. Never found so much silver in one site with any other machine than my GS. 8 silver coins on an evening hunt last year.

Gota say my sleeper machine would be the Toroso Compadre with 5.75" coil.....never owned a tesoro, thought they were next to a toy...wow was I wrong.
Bought a used Compadre for $80.00, first week with it found two rings..gold and a silver..oh and $82.00 in clad...machine paid for in a week.
I've seen the light...so I bought four more tesoro's

Minelab Safari. They are great coin hunters and can be bought in the $400 range.

I think the "sleeper" label can apply to the CZ-6 and CZ-5 models. I just got a nice CZ-6 for just over $200 on ebay. It goes really deep in "autotune" - the all metal mode and air tests over 11" on a dime.

I asked Dave Johnson about whether an older CZ would have gone out of alignment - with all those adjustable pots. Here's what he wrote.

"One of the mysteries of the CZ platform is despite all those tweaker pots some of which are very "touchy", once tweaked up properly they seem to stay in good tweak darn near forever."

As far as their lack of clear ID at depth, here's something Dave posted a little over year ago on another forum.

CZ's speak their own language. It's not difficult to learn, but it is different.

Nonferrous range target ID is done using (superior) multifrequency methods that have no correspondence in single-frequency technology.

The distinction between ferrous and nonferrous is done using a single-frequency method, inasmuch as multifrequency methods tend to erase the distinction between ferrous and nonferrous. In the multifrequency domain, ferrous looks nonferrous, mostly in the mid conductivity range. NOTE: a simplified explanation is this: multifrequency methods are superior because they mostly ignore the iron minerals in the ground. But because they do this, they also lose the ability to respond to the distinctive magnetic susceptibility signature of iron metal, making it "look" nonferrous.

The people who really clean up with CZ's on the deep silver, don't reject iron. If a target classifies as iron, sweep back and forth over it from several different directions and for the time being, ignore the hits where the machine says it's iron. But keep score.

If nearly all the hits are iron, it's probably iron.

If the non-iron hits classify mostly in the high coins range, it's probably a high coins.

If the non-iron hits classify mostly in the nickel & foil range, it's probably nonferrous. Experienced users of the CZ's describe them as "nickel magnets".

If the non-iron hits hit consistently in a particular mid-conductivity range, it's probably nonferrous, possibly a ring. Iron tends to bounce around.

If the non-iron hits bounce like heck but mostly in the mid-conductivity down to and including nickels, well, that's typical iron behavior, not giving clean consistent ID. If it's easy to dig, whip out your digging tool and let your eyes do the final discrimination. If you don't feel like digging, this is one to leave in the ground.

--Dave J.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2016 03:41PM by lytle78.

Rick,

Awesome post! Thank you. Ironic you post this as I have been recently looking into the CZ line-up of detectors. Still reading posts and making notes. From the many posts / writings I have come across, there are many others that would agree with you on the CZ's being a "sleeper". For $200 + you did very well. I am leaning towards the CZ3D as I have a few old hunting grounds that I would love to run this machine through. Thanks again for the info. - Jim


lytle78 Wrote:
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> I think the "sleeper" label can apply to the CZ-6
> and CZ-5 models. I just got a noce CZ-6 for just
> over $200 on ebay. It goes really deep in "autotu
> ne" - the all metal mode and air rests over 11" on
> a dime.
>
> I asked Dave Johnson about whether an older CZ wou
> ld have gone out of allignment - with all those ad
> justable pots. Here's what he wrote.
>
> "One of the mysteries of the CZ platform is des
> pite all those tweaker pots some of which are very
> "touchy", once tweaked up properly they seem to st
> ay in good tweak darn near forever."
>
> As far as their lack of clear ID at depth, here's
> something Dave posted a little over year ago on an
> other forum.
>
> CZ's speak their own language. It's not difficu
> lt to learn, but it is different.
>
> Nonferrous range target ID is done using (superior
> ) multifrequency methods that have no corresponden
> ce in single-frequency technology.
>
> The distinction between ferrous and nonferrous is
> done using a single-frequency method, inasmuch as
> multifrequency methods tend to erase the distincti
> on between ferrous and nonferrous. In the multifre
> quency domain, ferrous looks nonferrous, mostly in
> the mid conductivity range. NOTE: a simplified exp
> lanation is this: multifrequency methods are super
> ior because they mostly ignore the iron minerals i
> n the ground. But because they do this, they also
> lose the ability to respond to the distinctive mag
> netic susceptibility signature of iron metal, maki
> ng it "look" nonferrous.
>
> The people who really clean up with CZ's on the de
> ep silver, don't reject iron. If a target classifi
> es as iron, sweep back and forth over it from seve
> ral different directions and for the time being, i
> gnore the hits where the machine says it's iron. B
> ut keep score.
>
> If nearly all the hits are iron, it's probably iro
> n.
>
> If the non-iron hits classify mostly in the high c
> oins range, it's probably a high coins.
>
> If the non-iron hits classify mostly in the nickel
> & foil range, it's probably nonferrous. Experience
> d users of the CZ's describe them as "nickel magne
> ts".
>
> If the non-iron hits hit consistently in a particu
> lar mid-conductivity range, it's probably nonferro
> us, possibly a ring. Iron tends to bounce around.
>
> If the non-iron hits bounce like heck but mostly i
> n the mid-conductivity down to and including nicke
> ls, well, that's typical iron behavior, not giving
> clean consistent ID. If it's easy to dig, whip out
> your digging tool and let your eyes do the final d
> iscrimination. If you don't feel like digging, thi
> s is one to leave in the ground.
>
> --Dave J.

Thanks for that Info Rick!!

Yes the Potentiometers I have found ounce set usually don't change.its just they have to be set right first..

30 year old Whites and fisher's can prove that..still perfectly in alignment..

Side note:: I played with a fairly new FTP El Paso CZ 3d a couple months ago might of been the strongest CZ I ever saw..the airtest was

Started to buy it only 350.00 dollar's but let it pass.. someone got a good un..

I wouldn't be surprised if there tuning them proper down there as of late..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla