EQUINOX "Down the barrel" EXTREME

ghound Wrote:
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> Deus fast stock program.
> Not doing a downer on the Equinox, i've my pre ord
> er in!
>
>
> [youtu.be]

Yep, that's fast alright.

From what we have seen the Equinox looks real good and has heaps of features whats not to like, But I think people should just keep it real.

The only things so far that are impressive are the specs and the low price the performance is an unknown at this time.

I prefere Karlee Koss!

sanjuro Wrote:
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> The only things so far that are impressive are the
> specs and the low price the performance is an unkn
> own at this time.

It appears to be a lot quicker in response to FBS systems which I have wanted from ML ever since they stopped making the Musketeer Advantage, So Fingers crossed it will be all that we hoped for.

Here’s a video of another detector (not Equinox) doing the “long curved iron/coin trick, then just at the end showing that with 2 nails instead odmth elong iron - the coin response is masked. All in Russian? So I have no idea what they are saying

[youtu.be]

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

First, this thread has Keith's observations. Keith FREAKING Southern's observations! One of the gold standards of metal detecting!

Second, He pointed out that there was no falsing on the iron. No Hi tone, no low tone(iron grunt). He is observing that the EQ is not even acknowledging that the iron is there.

Lastly, Is the large iron covering coins a trick? Yes and no. Yes, in the way that it won't have the same type of masking as small iron. No, for the reason that you will encounter large iron in the field. Granted this was not an "in ground" test, but it at least gives you a baseline on what may happen when you encounter shallow iron in the field.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> First, this thread has Keith's observations. Keith
> FREAKING Southern's observations! One of the gold
> standards of metal detecting!
>
> Second, He pointed out that there was no falsing o
> n the iron. No Hi tone, no low tone(iron grunt). H
> e is observing that the EQ is not even acknowledgi
> ng that the iron is there.
>
> Lastly, Is the large iron covering coins a trick?
> Yes and no. Yes, in the way that it won't have the
> same type of masking as small iron. No, for the re
> ason that you will encounter large iron in the fie
> ld. Granted this was not an "in ground" test, but
> it at least gives you a baseline on what may happe
> n when you encounter shallow iron in the field.

LOL, and your point Is

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> > I see that Debbie Downer has arrived.
>
> Lol, Well you go back to giving people false hope
> about a product that no one knows anything about a
> part from the hype, But remember we have been here
> before and we all know how that ended.

I've not posted anything about anything to give anybody "false hope" as you described it. I'm just like everybody else, including you...all I've seen and read about the Equinox is what I've seen and read. All I know is what everybody else knows. I've never said it was going to be a magic unicorn. The other side of that coin is, that you don't have any inside info about anything either, and so you are just making assumptions about it too....just from the other direction. You are wanting to tare everything positive down as hype while the others are hoping for something with optimistic excitement. Can't you let people be excited and happy, or are you one of those people that are only happy when you kill other people's buzz?

The main two things that are appealing to me are:

#1 It's waterproof.

#2 It has some form of multi frequency with the option to do single freq adjustment.

That's enough for me to know that I want one. 90% of my hunting is done in the water for jewelry and then 10% for coins and relics on land. The options on the market for waterproof machines are very very slim. And then it gets even slimmer for the ones that can handle wet salt sand well. Of the water proof machines, that wet sand beach and water part of it knocks out the AT Series from Garrett and the MX Sport from Whites. That pretty much just leaves the Minelab CTX and Excalibur machines for getting in the water, unless you get into the specialty brands like the AquaStar, etc. It's nice to see another option enter the playing field. That's what I'm excited about. A lot of the other stuff is just bonus material. If it is as fast as a Deus or faster? I don't know...it don't really matter that much to me to be honest. Land/dirt machines are a dime a dozen but water machines, and particularly salt water/wet sand machines are not.

We all know that nothing that comes out on the market will ever make you step away from your MXT. You are correct...I do remember how that little deal ended. It ended with you making a nuisance (and that's putting it kindly) of yourself on every thread talking about how much better your MXT is than anything past, present, and future.

Don't start him on the MXT again ...................

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > Daniel Tn Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > I see that Debbie Downer has arrived.
> >
> > Lol, Well you go back to giving people false hop
> e
> > about a product that no one knows anything about
> a
> > part from the hype, But remember we have been he
> re
> > before and we all know how that ended.
>
> I've not posted anything about anything to give a
> nybody "false hope" as you described it. I'm just
> like everybody else, including you...all I've seen
> and read about the Equinox is what I've seen and r
> ead. All I know is what everybody else knows. I'
> ve never said it was going to be a magic unicorn.
> The other side of that coin is, that you don't hav
> e any inside info about anything either, and so yo
> u are just making assumptions about it too....just
> from the other direction. You are wanting to tare
> everything positive down as hype while the others
> are hoping for something with optimistic excitemen
> t. Can't you let people be excited and happy, or
> are you one of those people that are only happy wh
> en you kill other people's buzz?
>
> The main two things that are appealing to me are:
>
> #1 It's waterproof.
>
> #2 It has some form of multi frequency with the op
> tion to do single freq adjustment.
>
> That's enough for me to know that I want one. 90%
> of my hunting is done in the water for jewelry and
> then 10% for coins and relics on land. The option
> s on the market for waterproof machines are very v
> ery slim. And then it gets even slimmer for the o
> nes that can handle wet salt sand well. Of the wa
> ter proof machines, that wet sand beach and water
> part of it knocks out the AT Series from Garrett a
> nd the MX Sport from Whites. That pretty much jus
> t leaves the Minelab CTX and Excalibur machines fo
> r getting in the water, unless you get into the sp
> ecialty brands like the AquaStar, etc. It's nice
> to see another option enter the playing field. Th
> at's what I'm excited about. A lot of the other s
> tuff is just bonus material. If it is as fast as
> a Deus or faster? I don't know...it don't really m
> atter that much to me to be honest. Land/dirt mach
> ines are a dime a dozen but water machines, and pa
> rticularly salt water/wet sand machines are not.
>
> We all know that nothing that comes out on the mar
> ket will ever make you step away from your MXT. Y
> ou are correct...I do remember how that little dea
> l ended. It ended with you making a nuisance (and
> that's putting it kindly) of yourself on every thr
> ead talking about how much better your MXT is than
> anything past, present, and future.

Oh grow up Daniel, stop being such a Girl, no one said not to be happy about this new machine and all I said was for people to keep it real and to stop blowing out of all proportions when all they know is what they are being told, I could say the Moon is made of cheese but that don't mean it is.

And the machines I use only suit what I do and could prove quite ineffective for other people, But there again it does have a well Documented History.

people need to calm down and stop behaving like a 10 year old with his first copy of Playboy,

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Here’s a video of another detector (not Equinox) d
> oing the “long curved iron/coin trick, then just a
> t the end showing that with 2 nails instead odmth
> elong iron - the coin response is masked. All in
> Russian? So I have no idea what they are saying
>
> [youtu.be]


He says it's an old trick.
That if the length of the iron exceeds the diameter of the coil, then the detector will see the coins.
But if the piece of iron is small, the detector will not see the coin anymore.
That is demonstrated in this video.

ghound Wrote:
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> Don't start him on the MXT again .................

You Know It Dude

Anyways the Impact has got my attention and the GM-1000 and the GPX 4500,
> ..

'I remember my first copy of Playboy ( my brother's)...
......,,,ahhhhhh..... Miss September 1973....'

Its new and gives us all something to look at, speculate about, research and talk about. No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned with any of it. Keep us all busy during the winter months. Its not available until Spring 2018 anyway. What else is there to look at and discuss right now?

HH
Mike

Des D Wrote:
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> 'I remember my first copy of Playboy ( my brother'
> s)...
> ......,,,ahhhhhh..... Miss September 1973....'

Why do they always put the staples covering the best bits,

Notice that the sickle iron object (or whatever it was) was placed NEXT to the coins . Not over a coin. I can think of several current machines (various Tesoro 2-filter machines, a 77b, etc...) that can do that. I would like to see how it reacts when iron (a beefy rusted square nail , for instance) is place directly on top of a coin.

Also: Wake me up when this thing has an ability to have in-line probe that pipes through your headphones .

Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> Notice that the sickle iron object (or whatever it
> was) was placed NEXT to the coins . Not over a co
> in. I can think of several current machines (var
> ious Tesoro 2-filter machines, a 77b, etc...) that
> can do that. I would like to see how it reacts w
> hen iron (a beefy rusted square nail , for instanc
> e) is place directly on top of a coin.
>
> Also: Wake me up when this thing has an ability t
> o have in-line probe that pipes through your headp
> hones .

and FINALLY, Tom pokes his head out and gives some input. My algorithms predicted a 92.7997% chance you would be on the negative side of the EQ.

Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> Notice that the sickle iron object (or whatever it
> was) was placed NEXT to the coins . Not over a co
> in. I can think of several current machines (var
> ious Tesoro 2-filter machines, a 77b, etc...) that
> can do that. I would like to see how it reacts w
> hen iron (a beefy rusted square nail , for instanc
> e) is place directly on top of a coin.
>
> Also: Wake me up when this thing has an ability t
> o have in-line probe that pipes through your headp
> hones

Yeah it is hard to fool quite a few Tesoro's..

I'm of the opinion it wasn't much of a challenge?

Why?

Three-fold really.
1. The piece was 'almost' straight creating fantastic Eddy Current flow.
2. It looked in reasonably good condition, therefore non-magnetic probably as it was 'dry looking & non-corroded?'
3. It could possibly sound High Tone on an FBS machine in Conductive Sounds while also generating High Tones on the coins so there were two different metallic targets generating high tones and it wasn't much of a challenge to do so? If the iron piece was U shaped and placed mid ways between the coins so half up and half down, then that would have been enough 'to arrest' the response from it and cause audio break up.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2017 04:20PM by Des D.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> > Video showing a nice in ground depth test. Groun
> d
> > is not covered
> > [youtu.be]
>
> That's a stupid video and is nothing more than an
> air test be it with soil under the coin any VLF ca
> n do that.

I'm well aware which is why I said hole was open. just adding a bloody video haha

Des D Wrote:
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> Im of the opinion it wasn't much of a challenge?
>
> Why?
>
> Three-fold really.
> 1. The piece was 'almost' straight.
> 2. It looked in reasonably good condition, therefo
> re non-magnetic probably as it was 'dry looking &
> non-corroded?'
> 3. It could possibly sound High Tone on an FBS mac
> hine in Conductive Sounds while also generating Hi
> gh Tones on the coins so there were two different
> metallic targets generating high tones and it wasn
> 't much of a challenge to do so? If the iron piece
> was U shaped and placed mid ways between the coins
> so half up and half down, then that would have bee
> n enough 'to arrest' the response from it and caus
> e audio break up.

Cool, I knew you would add logic to what we were seeing, well done Des.

Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > Diggs4ever Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
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> > -----
> > > Video showing a nice in ground depth test. Gro
> un
> > d
> > > is not covered
> > > [youtu.be]
> >
> > That's a stupid video and is nothing more than a
> n
> > air test be it with soil under the coin any VLF
> ca
> > n do that.
>
> I'm well aware which is why I said hole was open.
> just adding a bloody video haha

Maybe I did not make myself clear, sorry about that, But I was agreeing with you.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> > auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > Diggs4ever Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > > Video showing a nice in ground depth test. G
> ro
> > un
> > > d
> > > > is not covered
> > > > [youtu.be]
> > >
> > > That's a stupid video and is nothing more than
> a
> > n
> > > air test be it with soil under the coin any VL
> F
> > ca
> > > n do that.
> >
> > I'm well aware which is why I said hole was open
> .
> > just adding a bloody video haha
>
> Maybe I did not make myself clear, sorry about tha
> t, But I was agreeing with you.


Haha all is well I see it now. I read it the other way cheers

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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>
> and FINALLY, Tom pokes his head out and gives some
> input. My algorithms predicted a 92.7997% chance y
> ou would be on the negative side of the EQ.


Ha! Well SOMEONE'S gotta be a kill-joy and propose the glass half empty, eh ?

Not saying it won't pass more tests (to accomplish see THROUGH, not see AROUND). Oh, and even if it's eventually pitted against the famous Monte nail-board test: So too do numerous other machines pass the test. So what I'd REALLY like to see, is the NBT test done with larger nails as an option. I bet the machines that pass the test would start to decrease in #'s. And another type test: Put a single rusty nail (standard size) over a coin. Most Tesoro 2-filters can still get a hint of conductive. But when you start to put a 2nd nail over, is where most machines will start to null (except for perhaps a 77b).

If this new Ox can just do a single nail (so it's therefore akin to various Tesoros, racer, etc...) then that's good enough. It would be unreasonable ask it to see through 2 or 3 nails (although that would be nice ! haha). I can think of ghost-townsy nail-riddled sites were I have to reach for my Bandito. But admittedly I'm probably only accomplishing 3 or 4" depth.

I'm still impressed with a MINELAB being able to accomplish task trickery smoke and mirrors or the likes.

Will it obsolete other detector's??NOPE...its not ground breaking tech I feel...it is a culmination of latest tech.and they know how to do MULTI Freq for years and its paid for itself many times over in terms of R&D.. and they seem to be able to block other companies from infringing on there Tech..

It will make a machine that's very marketable to A LOT of people..and that's their aim(($800.00)) I feel...Unlike a GPZ 7000 that was marketed at a niche group and needs a high price tag to turn profit I believe the Equinox is aimed to offer Current and even maybe past BBS style?? technology to create a offering that MANY want..That no body builds in a single unit.....I think they should of said their machine can replace a lot of VLF units..One is most surely the AT MAX (wading ability with a meter) with added ability to maybe handle wet salt extremely well..can it replace a Deus for Iron work?????????? We will know when the coil hits the soil on that.

At 800.00 dollars though there betting they sell quite a large number...if they thought they would sell 5k worldwide we might see a 1800.00 price tag but they maybe betting on selling 15k worldwide.((.just numbers out of the hat I have no clue how many they sell))...Minelab seems to be one of the more how should I say profit driven detector companies going...very structured and BIG Corporation profit lines..

Yes there betting on selling A LOT..

Lightweight
Multi freq
waterproof
magnetic charging
user selection freq
fast recovery options
big display number
tone break's

They aimed at the hot stuff ..

and for a mass user marketable detector at that price point it check's many boxes..

BUT we will still have our specialty machines no matter what...

My Sovereigns and Iron pickers etc aint going no where right now.I already see it doesn't sound like a Sovereign and to me that's half the fun of a Sov. the tone! .But I will be honest I was about to pull the trigger on a AT MAX..For occasional water and rainy day's...yet now I may wait and see..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Des D Wrote:
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> 'I remember my first copy of Playboy ( my brother'
> s)...
> ......,,,ahhhhhh..... Miss September 1973....'


My first girly magazine was Hustler c.1977'ish.....with a couple of childhood friends on our bikes we spied it in someones garbage can on trash day....wow that was an eye opener for a kid - lol

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> and FINALLY, Tom pokes his head out and gives some
> input. My algorithms predicted a 92.7997% chance y
> ou would be on the negative side of the EQ.

That's why we call him Kill-Joy

Kids now a days just go on YouTube and see more than we ever dreamed of as kids..

disturbing

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> I'm still impressed with a MINELAB being able to a
> ccomplish task trickery smoke and mirrors or the l
> ikes.
>
> Will it obsolete other detector's??NOPE...its not
> ground breaking tech I feel...it is a culmination
> of latest tech.and they know how to do MULTI Freq
> for years and its paid for itself many times over
> in terms of R&D.. and they seem to be able to bloc
> k other companies from infringing on there Tech..
>
> It will make a machine that's very marketable to A
> LOT of people..and that's their aim(($800.00)) I f
> eel...Unlike a GPZ 7000 that was marketed at a nic
> he group and needs a high price tag to turn profit
> I believe the Equinox is aimed to offer Current an
> d even maybe past BBS style?? technology to creat
> e a offering that MANY want..That no body builds i
> n a single unit.....I think they should of said th
> eir machine can replace a lot of VLF units..One is
> most surely the AT MAX (wading ability with a mete
> r) with added ability to maybe handle wet salt ext
> remely well..can it replace a Deus for Iron work??
> ???????? We will know when the coil hits the soil
> on that.
>
> At 800.00 dollars though there betting they sell q
> uite a large number...if they thought they would s
> ell 5k worldwide we might see a 1800.00 price tag
> but they maybe betting on selling 15k worldwide.((
> .just numbers out of the hat I have no clue how ma
> ny they sell))...Minelab seems to be one of the mo
> re how should I say profit driven detector compani
> es going...very structured and BIG Corporation pro
> fit lines..
>
> Yes there betting on selling A LOT..
>
> Lightweight
> Multi freq
> waterproof
> magnetic charging
> user selection freq
> fast recovery options
> big display number
> tone break's
>
> They aimed at the hot stuff ..
>
> and for a mass user marketable detector at that p
> rice point it check's many boxes..
>
> BUT we will still have our specialty machines no m
> atter what...
>
> My Sovereigns and Iron pickers etc aint going no w
> here right now.I already see it doesn't sound like
> a Sovereign and to me that's half the fun of a Sov
> . the tone! .But I will be honest I was about to p
> ull the trigger on a AT MAX..For occasional water
> and rainy day's...yet now I may wait and see..
>
> Keith

Yep that's about how I see it too, I make no bones it, I like what I see, there is a couple of things that I wish they had not done too but I can live with it, I just hope it's many other features can take my mind off of what I don't like.

Great post Keith.

J.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> Des D Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > 'I remember my first copy of Playboy ( my brothe
> r'
> > s)...
> > ......,,,ahhhhhh..... Miss September 1973....'
>
>
> My first girly magazine was Hustler c.1977'ish....
> .with a couple of childhood friends on our bikes w
> e spied it in someones garbage can on trash day...
> .wow that was an eye opener for a kid - lol

Yeah, I don't know what opened wider my eyes or my mouth, either ways I forgot to Blink

J.