Deus Round HF coil hunt (some commentary and a pic) " Additional hunt with more commentary.".

It was cold here today and the wind a whistling.

Yet hit the detecting trail today.

Took along the 11" LF coil as well as another Deus unit with HF elliptical coil (never even turned it on today).

Did run the 11" LF coil for a while.
I did this so I could get a good mind set baseline since I have been predominantly running HF coils on Deus for a while now.

My 2 cents concerning the 11" LF coil for relic hunting.
Too noisy, targets even ones that are indeed detectable (detected) can escape a person.
But if a person never has run one of the HF coils, they would be none the wiser.

So the 11" LF coil went back in the truck.
Remainder of day spent using round9" HF coil on Deus.

This coil is for real folks.
XP seems did put some work in it,,just didn't add some freqs and call it a day.
Audio is very telling, yet loads of nonferrous WILL NOT be textbook, yet enough intelligence is available to recognize odds on favorites of nonferrous objects.

Now I should say this, since it was cold and windy, I wore the Vance headphones.
IMO, .Deus users using back phones,,,grand chance they are leaving some nonferrous in the ground.
Much easier to hone in with Deus wearing a good REAL full set of head phones.

Dug some what I consider deep targets too for the 9" coil.
One target was Garrett pinpointer length deep plus approx 1.5" deep.

Only dug one nail (part of actually) and I think I really pushed the Deus.

This site today (around 3 hours use with round HF coil) already hard busted numerous times Deus wearing 9", 11" LF coils as well as the HF elliptical coil. Other detectors and coil sizes too.

Many target like I stated earlier far from textbook signal,,the only thing I can say about all the signals no iron grunts,,,,HINT HINT.

Also many targets with plug flipped yield iron tone, some even iron ID like 06 in meter,,but busting plug would generally yield a better signal still not always textbook sounding.
And after target retrieval (no ferrous noted tonally) many times with resweeps (used 0 disc btw).
Soil masking?
Or iron decomposition masking?

Can't say for sure,,would need soil samples testing done to be absolutely sure.

Also of note.
Reactivty level 2.5 is deeper than Reactivty 3 obviously, but using higher Reactivty is doing some thing to some nonferrous targets (don't think it is necessarily about improved separation either), but better unmasking in mineral.

The goal post I think moved with the audio while using this coil vs the LF coils.
If a person thinks the 9" LF coil is a monster performer in iron and soil minerals,,,you just might try this round HF coil and be happily surprised.

I don't do videos, but today' if I could have, it would have I think been a very eye opening video for some to see.

I see where some folks think single frequency as applied to detecting has been taken as far as it can go.
Some folks even said this before the the intro of Deus and HF coils.

I personally don't know, but will say this.
You have old sites, where really any nonferrous object could be a prize find, this round HF coil seems to be worthy to me.

I was surprised to see how many nonferous finds were found today in this one area.

All the items below are nonferrous except the larger item on the right (it is both ferrous and nonferrous).
Only 28.8khz used today and split time between Reactivty 2.5 and 3.

I should say this also.
Based on my use of both HF coils for Deus. Both in dry ground and wet ground.
Elliptical coil better dry ground Hunter, it gets pretty sharp in wet ground meaning more iron will be dug.
Round HF coil seems to be a real good wet ground hunter even in areas with loads of iron and nails.
This site today had some real deep iron too.
Wonder how I know?? Lol





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Hi Sod-buster, so you think the 9" HF coil is as good as the 5x10" HF coil. I have been wanting to get one but don't know what one to get. I do a lot of parks that have been hit hard and has a lot of trash. I watch a lot of Gary's video and looks like he used the 9" HF the most. Do you have any help with what one? Thanks flintstone, P.S. Anyone that can help please do.

Flintstone Wrote:
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> Hi Sod-buster, so you think the 9" HF coil is as g
> ood as the 5x10" HF coil. I have been wanting to g
> et one but don't know what one to get. I do a lot
> of parks that have been hit hard and has a lot of
> trash. I watch a lot of Gary's video and looks lik
> e he used the 9" HF the most. Do you have any help
> with what one? Thanks flintstone, P.S. Anyone t
> hat can help please do.


Alright Flintstone.

Right now my time using is split 60/40 with more time going to elliptical HF coil.

Your question is worthy.

So my take is this.

Both will see(alert) on some of the same nonferrous.
Each will alert on some the other will not.

Personally XP should be offering a Deus package with just the 9" round HF coil.
I truly think from an nonferrous alerting standpoint, Round HF coil better than LF 9" coil. For coins and relics.
But using LF 9" coil since it uses lower freqs, and using non normalized Vdi setting, ID spread of targets for higher conductors vs lower conductive junk is better.

Mild soil
If a Deus user already possess LF Deus coil,,,I would say go the elliptical HF route.

More harsh soil-toss up
More depends on your sites you like to hunt.
Super duper iron, elliptical gets the nod.
More sparse iron, round HF gets the nod.

Open field relic hunting I favor round HF coil.
Deeper
More coil height above ground forgiving.

Elliptical is quieter running.
So in extreme emi environments elliptical coil has advantage.

Both coils run quieter than the 9" and 11" LF coils, with higher sens dialed in.

I probably didn't help you much here.
But based on my use -is the truth.

But the elliptical HF coil has found more what I call prize finds (for me) in some areas loaded to the hilt with iron, these spots busted hard by Deus and LF coils, other detector wearing stock and smaller coils.
Hunted numerous times (>50 times) different days, different ground conditions.

And I likely when using the elliptical a HF coil not a so-called pro, but made the discoveries none the less.

Neither HF coil will be departing my possession any time soon.

Btw since the battery location is moved,,,both coils feel better when sweeping detector cs the LF coils.

It is also my opinion, and I don't know what it entails.
XP should go ahead and devise LF coils with battery location like the HF coils.

And last here.
How feasible is it for XP to retrofit LF coils by moving battery?
Could entail some program change, etc.
I don't know, not an engineer.

XP got ahead of themselves with the totally wireless thingy.

Cheers Flintsone and Merry Christmas.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2017 03:46PM by Sod-buster.

Alright another hunt.
Back in my so-called detector proving grounds site.

Today was my best day of detecting since I started detecting.
Not because of what I found but what I saw and heard.

Round HF coil used exclusively run info 28.8 khz.

For time spent in site found the highest number of nonferrous targets.
Remember this site hammered by myself previously many, many times.


This round coil,,,you take it to an old homestead site/field , you likely Won't come back skunked!!!
You will find some thing non ferrous.

Amazing performance.

Coil is very reactive, and I mean this in a good sense here.

Many many targets far less than textbook sounding, yet again enough audio data/behavior to make the dig decision.

Today would have made for a super duper video watching and listening to Deus do its thing.

Also, I should mention I used the MI-6 pointer.
Fabulous performance and IMO speeds up target recovery big time, especially while wearing full headphones.

One has to appreciate the audio of the mighty Deus with this round HF coil.

I dug very little iron, and pushed the daylights out of Deus.

Reactivty 2.5 also used exclusively today,

Many nonferrous targets today, I would basically describe as Deus audio confused-hint, hint.

Old sites, the small $1 gold coin should be shaking in its boots??
Even the $2.50 gold coin.

I am running GB at ground phase reading and this coil is doing terrific, both with " exposing" -notice I didn't say unmasking, as well as depth.

A person detecting capabilities are definitely expanded using this round HF coil vs using the 9" LF coil.
Or at least mine are.

I am a Big Time believer in this coil.

Btw, a test garden, or buried targets (not in the wild) will NOT show a person how good this coil really is in the real world.
I can promise folks this.

Will post a pic shortly.

Some buttons, lead, bullets, crushed thimball, etc

Mineral index meter hitting 6 ticks in the window when bobbing coil over clean ground.
This field is fertilized one time every spring. Disclaimer.
And silencer was run at -1 all day long,





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Looks like several buttons in there, Sod-buster.

Flat buttons?

Pre-Civil War?

You look to be getting along real well with that HF Deus coil...

Steve

steveg Wrote:
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> Looks like several buttons in there, Sod-buster.
>
> Flat buttons?
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> Pre-Civil War?
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> You look to be getting along real well with that H
> F Deus coil...
>
> Steve


An old site.
Some parts have some more modern objects.
Last inhabited, one house circa 1970.

There were other homes on this property.
Bascially this is 193 acres of private land I hunt very often.

Just one field of 14 acres I have spent the better part of 3 years in.
Where I was today actually.
Sounds goofy right???

And look what I found today. Lol

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

Here are some threads I posted as far as the more signifanct finds in site/area.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

I have dug one Civil War bullet in site.
Need to find and post here,,it is unusual,,big with no rings.

Found 3 military buttons,,don't know if they are CW or not.
Could be militia buttons of the troopers at the fort.

One 1845 seated dime.
One 1902 nickel.
One nickel badly corroded suspect first generation nickel, can't prove though yet anyways.

Gent before me hunted this area with White's XLT uaing stock concentric coil.

This site,,,the why behind me getting into detecting.
Swung the gent's XLT for 15 minutes,,and went a bought a V3i White's and was off to the races.
Or was I??lol

Steve in this link.
The tree on the left, the big elm tree.
If folks knew how many times I have went round and round it sweeping a detector they wouldn't beleive.

And the say 50 ft perimeter around this tree,,,countless hours a sweeping.

[commons.m.wikimedia.org]



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Thanks Sod-buster, for the info on coils. I think I might just go with the 9" round. flintstone

Beautiful picture there, Sod-buster, with the snowy field and the elm tree!

That fort you just discovered, WOW! Sure wish I was still living in Nashville -- I'd love to hunt some of these old sites!

As an "old coin" guy, I LOVE the Reale, and the half-dime in the links above...

Interesting (to me, anyway) that on a site that large, in Tennessee, that you aren't finding more CW relics...

Steve

Steve,
Although I can't prove here is the reason for lack of CWrelics in this area.

The road near the river crossing near my detecting site was built first.

Some years later this second road in link below a road built.

This second road cut off some distance traveled for folks moving east to western USA.

And using this second road by CW troopers they could move easier terrain wise.

Using the first older road, troopers were let's say locked out morose,,steep ground (multiple ridge lines) to get across highland rim.

If you go 12 miles east of me, CW troop movement existed.
If you go 18 miles west of me, CW troop movement existed.

This Cumberland river really restricted routes in some long stretches too.

[tennesseeencyclopedia.net]



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Very interesting link there, on Walton Road, Sod-buster.

Steve