The great Equinox conspiracy.

Dirtmover Wrote:
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> Sod-buster Wrote:
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> > Beyonder,
> >
> > If I didn't know better I would be thinking you
> an
> > d Kemper have been drinking out of the same well
> .
> >
> > Better stick to your day job whatever that is.
> >
> > I think you have art confused somehow.
> >
> > I am smart enough to see this, not a rocket scie
> nt
> > ist mind you.
>
>
> If you are referring to Kemper saying that Whites
> was ripping people off by not recalling the MX Spo
> rt, I don't think you are making a fair comparison
> . The members here could have pushed Whites and pe
> rhaps have gotten the MX Sport recalled. Those det
> ectors that were released with defects, and have n
> ot been recalled or sent in for repair ,will conti
> nue to be a stain on the hobby.


Was not what I was saying or referring to, rather seemingly trying to take an indefensible stance and trying to defend.

goodmore Wrote:
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> The detector market has changed. The hype of the
> Equinox has a firm hold on prices of other models
> If this detector delivers look out. I hope you love those detectors in your closet.

D&P-OR Wrote:
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> I do---no prob!


2xs that Del!

Won't be selling my excal/sov, ctx or deus or any others anytime soon just because of some hyped up xxxx being pushed all over the forums on the lastest/greatest

The "key phrase" of the whole equinox sales pitch should be the dead give away too = "obsolete all other VLF machines"

notice how there's no claim of obsoleting any FBS or BBS/multi freq. machines in that statement!?

I'm sure the Nox will be very good..but the fact is gold/nickels/pulltabs have the same conductive property. Some things will never change ,I'm guessing of course newer technology or reduced cost of some technology will fine tune the good finds.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Dirtmover Wrote:
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> > Sod-buster Wrote:
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> --
> > -----
> > > Beyonder,
> > >
> > > If I didn't know better I would be thinking yo
> u
> > an
> > > d Kemper have been drinking out of the same we
> ll
> > .
> > >
> > > Better stick to your day job whatever that is.
> > >
> > > I think you have art confused somehow.
> > >
> > > I am smart enough to see this, not a rocket sc
> ie
> > nt
> > > ist mind you.
> >
> >
> > If you are referring to Kemper saying that White
> s
> > was ripping people off by not recalling the MX S
> po
> > rt, I don't think you are making a fair comparis
> on
> > . The members here could have pushed Whites and
> pe
> > rhaps have gotten the MX Sport recalled. Those d
> et
> > ectors that were released with defects, and have
> n
> > ot been recalled or sent in for repair ,will con
> ti
> > nue to be a stain on the hobby.
>
>
> Was not what I was saying or referring to, rather
> seemingly trying to take an indefensible stance an
> d trying to defend.

" seemingly " to you but I don't think he was " trying " to take an indefensible stance. If you care to share a particular stance he took that made you seem to think that was his agenda, please share. You have a right to your stance in regards to him but I don't think he was trying to be indefensible. I found him very good at defending his stance on issues when allowed to do so.

So as part of this "conspiracy/non-conspiracy" as some say, two major events has happened.

1. The site I was referring to with the release date of 12/17 changed it to "canceled" on 12/15. As of today, it changed again. It REMOVED all recent Minelab (fake?)news stories.

2. The Minelab website has been down since last night.

These are very unusual events.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2017 09:01PM by Beyonder-Pa.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> So as part of this "conspiracy/non-conspiracy" as
> some say, two major events has happened.
>
> 1. The site I was referring to with the release da
> te of 12/17 changed it to "canceled" on 12/15. As
> of today, it changed again. It REMOVED all recent
> Minelab (fake?)news stories.
>
> 2. The Minelab website has been down since last ni
> ght.
>
> These are very unusual events.

The guy that found the 11 gold coins is touting the Deus in his OP. Probably would have been found with a Minelab or ACE 250 ,but this is not a good time to be touting other detectors.

Steve Herschbach Wrote:

>
> Anyway, I apologize for intruding but felt a need
> to comment. I value the forums. They have been a g
> reat source of information and fun for me. Many ho
> wever are dying off, as good people are driven off
> by the bad. I think that is a real shame, and ther
> e are no clear answers as to how to address the is
> sue of trolls. Freedom of of speech is a fine thin
> g, but even this forum found there are people you
> just have to ban. Anyone concerned about conspirac
> ies of silence and not concerned about the chillin
> g effect of trolls is not getting the full picture
> .

You make some good points but moderators are also to blame. Wally has not had the time/want to moderate this forum. Moderators often try to make the forum easier to moderate rather than moderating for the good of the forum. MRH going after sod-buster is a good example here. Him and others that went after Kemper and got catered to just continued their attacks on other people or became un-involved in the forum. I'm not saying that people should necessarily be banned, but a public disapproval of their actions, would be helpful. People come to forums to discuss something they have in common. Sometimes that thing is banding together, often with a mod, and attacking someone. The game continues and if someone gets banned ,or in your case, decides to leave, it may be because they were too good at honestly bringing something important to the forum. -- Gary Kemper

Dirtmover Wrote:
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> Steve Herschbach Wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, I apologize for intruding but felt a nee
> d
> > to comment. I value the forums. They have been a
> g
> > reat source of information and fun for me. Many
> ho
> > wever are dying off, as good people are driven o
> ff
> > by the bad. I think that is a real shame, and th
> er
> > e are no clear answers as to how to address the
> is
> > sue of trolls. Freedom of of speech is a fine th
> in
> > g, but even this forum found there are people yo
> u
> > just have to ban. Anyone concerned about conspir
> ac
> > ies of silence and not concerned about the chill
> in
> > g effect of trolls is not getting the full pictu
> re
> > .
>
> You make some good points but moderators are also
> to blame. Wally has not had the time/want to moder
> ate this forum. Moderators often try to make the f
> orum easier to moderate rather than moderating for
> the good of the forum. MRH going after sod-buster
> is a good example here. Him and others that went a
> fter Kemper and got catered to just continued thei
> r attacks on other people or became un-involved in
> the forum. I'm not saying that people should neces
> sarily be banned, but a public disapproval of thei
> r actions, would be helpful. People come to forums
> to discuss something they have in common. Sometime
> s that thing is banding together, often with a mod
> , and attacking someone. The game continues and if
> someone gets banned ,or in your case, decides to l
> eave, it may be because they were too good at hone
> stly bringing something important to the forum. --
> Gary Kemper


Back again to stir the pot and try to start arguments huh Kemper??

Not for long!

MichiganRelicHunter Wrote:
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> Dirtmover Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Steve Herschbach Wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, I apologize for intruding but felt a n
> ee
> > d
> > > to comment. I value the forums. They have been
> a
> > g
> > > reat source of information and fun for me. Man
> y
> > ho
> > > wever are dying off, as good people are driven
> o
> > ff
> > > by the bad. I think that is a real shame, and
> th
> > er
> > > e are no clear answers as to how to address th
> e
> > is
> > > sue of trolls. Freedom of of speech is a fine
> th
> > in
> > > g, but even this forum found there are people
> yo
> > u
> > > just have to ban. Anyone concerned about consp
> ir
> > ac
> > > ies of silence and not concerned about the chi
> ll
> > in
> > > g effect of trolls is not getting the full pic
> tu
> > re
> > > .
> >
> > You make some good points but moderators are als
> o
> > to blame. Wally has not had the time/want to mod
> er
> > ate this forum. Moderators often try to make the
> f
> > orum easier to moderate rather than moderating f
> or
> > the good of the forum. MRH going after sod-buste
> r
> > is a good example here. Him and others that went
> a
> > fter Kemper and got catered to just continued th
> ei
> > r attacks on other people or became un-involved
> in
> > the forum. I'm not saying that people should nec
> es
> > sarily be banned, but a public disapproval of th
> ei
> > r actions, would be helpful. People come to foru
> ms
> > to discuss something they have in common. Someti
> me
> > s that thing is banding together, often with a m
> od
> > , and attacking someone. The game continues and
> if
> > someone gets banned ,or in your case, decides to
> l
> > eave, it may be because they were too good at ho
> ne
> > stly bringing something important to the forum.
> --
> > Gary Kemper
>
>
> Back again to stir the pot and try to start argume
> nts huh Kemper??
>
> Not for long!

No.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:

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> Did I shock, awake, disturb? I think I have. As fo
> r how far I am from the mainstream, that is subjec
> tive as well. We can't "know" how everyone feels.
>
> .


While " conspiracy " seems to be a fairly strong term, with your accompanying explanation I have no problem with it. If you were waving a sign accusing them of that without an explanation I may feel differently. Not that I think they are conspiring to do anything bad,they may be conspiring to hype the machine, and/or bring attention to it, which is fine with me. They never find a target with one and set it down and show that an ACE 250 would have found the same thing but their emphasis is on their product as it should be.

In answer to your question - I think you have to a certain extent. Good job.

Looking at some dealers websites, there is a statement that" the nox will obsolete all other detectors"....really? common sense says bs.

I don't know about Yall But I always have my tinfoil hat on

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Advanced design?Seems would of been a better nox design to run the cable cord inside, maybe they have not sure.

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> I don't know about Yall But I always have my tinfoil hat on
>
> Keith

The NOX the greatest metal detector that never was

Guv could you imagine if they scrapped it at last minute..A problem with the flux capacitor.


Funny pic Brian!!

The older I get the more I question almost everything...especially in day to day things...

Yet it's seeped into my detecting arena too..And that's sort of sad..since treasure hunting is part mystical and driving lust and anticipation of finding the unknown...We always want to have the best we can get to use on our quest of the past...Sort of like finding out there's no Santa when your young, some of that Christmas magic escapes you QUICKLY!!

I look for the strong points in a detector and see if I can use that in the lineup or see if it's any better than what's already available FOR ME.The Equinox may very well prove to be a excellent all arounder...I consider the CTX a excellent all arounder and probably all most hunters would ever require...Yet it still cant replicate Niche status for unmasking Certain targets...

The Equinox may achieve all arounder approval and compete with Niche status units too..And they may very well be why it has ability to use one freq at a time when wanted.put it on high freq only and sift iron.... Would be Funny if it obsoletes Single VLFs but has to use a single freq like a VLF to do it for niche status hunts.

Good times we are in !!

It can only get better yet I lust for something to be truly ground breaking..Something that rejuvenates the soil with some sort of advanced transmission methods..Things we've dreamed about but thought impossible to do...

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Guv could you imagine if they scrapped it at last minute..A problem with the flux capacitor.
>
> Funny pic Brian!!
>
> The older I get the more I question almost everything...especially in day to day things...
>
> Keith

It's a good moto to live by, but to what degree? My wife lives by it to the fullest, I'm more of a glass is half full than half empty person.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> Keith Southern Wrote:
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> > Guv could you imagine if they scrapped it at las
> t minute..A problem with the flux capacitor.
> >
> > Funny pic Brian!!
> >
> > The older I get the more I question almost every
> thing...especially in day to day things...
> >
> > Keith
>
> It's a good moto to live by, but to what degree?
> My wife lives by it to the fullest, I'm more of a
> glass is half full than half empty person.



LoL = smart woman!

Now that the Minelab website is back up, I'm not seeing any reference to the Equinox 600 anymore. Did anyone else notice this?

Minelab teases us with a great juicy carrot in front of a hungry crowd and then leaves us hanging in thin air....hope it's worth the wait. My purchase money has no loyalty to where or who gets it.
I will spend it freely on the best coin trap available....even if it is Minelab. hh

Could be they have decided that with all the hoo-haa that most will want the 800 and they will concentrate production on that first.

Did you guys REALLY think there was a 600??----GOTCHA (early April 1st)!

And the Nox vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Guv could you imagine if they scrapped it at last
> minute..A problem with the flux capacitor.
>
>
> Funny pic Brian!!
>
> The older I get the more I question almost everyth
> ing...especially in day to day things...
>
> Yet it's seeped into my detecting arena too..And t
> hat's sort of sad..since treasure hunting is part
> mystical and driving lust and anticipation of find
> ing the unknown...We always want to have the best
> we can get to use on our quest of the past...Sort
> of like finding out there's no Santa when your you
> ng, some of that Christmas magic escapes you QUICK
> LY!!
>
> I look for the strong points in a detector and see
> if I can use that in the lineup or see if it's any
> better than what's already available FOR ME.The Eq
> uinox may very well prove to be a excellent all ar
> ounder...I consider the CTX a excellent all around
> er and probably all most hunters would ever requir
> e...Yet it still cant replicate Niche status for u
> nmasking Certain targets...
>
> The Equinox may achieve all arounder approval and
> compete with Niche status units too..And they may
> very well be why it has ability to use one freq at
> a time when wanted.put it on high freq only and si
> ft iron.... Would be Funny if it obsoletes Single
> VLFs but has to use a single freq like a VLF to d
> o it for niche status hunts.
>
> Good times we are in !!
>
> It can only get better yet I lust for something to
> be truly ground breaking..Something that rejuvenat
> es the soil with some sort of advanced transmissio
> n methods..Things we've dreamed about but thought
> impossible to do...
>
> Keith

Keith

Funny you said that as I had been thinking the same thing. LOL The question I have that cannot or will not be answered is if the new way of ground handling applies to the single frequencies.

Tom

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
In a democracy, it is difficult to win fellow citizens over to your own side, or to build public support to remedy injustices that remain all too real when you fundamentally misunderstand how they see the world.

This may be turn out to be an astute Minelab marketing move. The hype of a new mid-priced detector before the holidays will necessarily depress the sale of competing mid-priced units as potential buyers wait for the Nox while ML gambles that sales of their flagship CTX is not cannibalized too badly.

How many sales will they lose, or gain, by keeping the anxiety at fever pitch by leaking out videos, manuals and training guides while continuing to delay the shipping date? I’d guess more deposits than lost sales...

go-rebels Wrote:
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> This may be turn out to be an astute Minelab marke
> ting move. The hype of a new mid-priced detector
> before the holidays will necessarily depress the s
> ale of competing mid-priced units as potential buy
> ers wait for the Nox while ML gambles that sales o
> f their flagship CTX is not cannibalized too badly
> .
>
> How many sales will they lose, or gain, by keeping
> the anxiety at fever pitch by leaking out videos,
> manuals and training guides while continuing to de
> lay the shipping date? I’d guess more deposits th
> an lost sales...


Delay the shipping date???

Has Minelab ever gave a release date?

If they did I missed.

There has been loads of speculation, etc by folks.
Even trying to decipher what Euro dealers are posting.

I thought I read back in Sep/Oct, Minelab had a target release in the Dec/Jan time frame.

Most important thing for them.
Get it RIGHT.

To drop a person with a Equinox out of a plane to the ground, then muff the release.
Oh, boy!!!!!

It is winter time in the northern hemisphere.
So detecting is limited for a lot of folks.

I will wait for the unit.
Like a grown up too.

Also remember.
I am sure preorder numbers for this model are huge. (World wide)
So wonder if Minelab just did official release but had limited units available to sell to satisfy demand levels.
Then another rant for folks to start.

Would this be a fair statement.
Waterproof detectors take longer on average to assemble.
More rigid guidelines and QC done.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2017 01:42PM by Sod-buster.

If the Equinox is anywhere near as good as its supposed to be, Minelab will sell them ten to one over the CTX (IMHO). Minelab may possibly be looking at making their profit on volume rather than a few really high priced detectors. The new Walmart of detector manufactures!

Didnt they make the statement..... it will obsolete all single freqs using multi freq.... BUT then say its not as good as FBS. To me that means FBS exceeds all single freq and we know it dont. Then I see.... it gets a 3 star rating and CTX gets a 5 in disc. Im almost hoping I dont get the first batch....but keep my place in line lol.

What If.........they won't release the nox until all the forum comments about it calm down ?!!!!!

OMG - It'll never be released !!!

All the tea in China and hoopla advertising promo will not help their sales if the majority of reviews written were not favorable.... Achilles heel double edged sword of technology..It better be good I don't think sales will climb if reviews or so so like many past fizzles.


ps reminds me of when is GM going to release a mid engine Corvette motor, they have been teasing us for years.