the end of the auto mechanic looms

Well to be honest hope not around too see it.....I plan to drive off into the sunset with a classic American car not a rolling flashing idiot lights computer of electronics and cheap plastic.
Technology is mostly good but to some degree makes us less human.

For all the off grid folks they still use and rely on all that society has developed .The world is not an Island.

One can certainly sympathize with the wheelwrights and buggy whip makers. Oh, wait, those were the guys automobiles put out of business 100 years ago.

Here's a prediction: the demise of the internal combustion engine mechanic will be replaced with the rise in some other job function.

Now, what's going to happen to all those old-timey gas stations when everyone can refuel in their garage, or any Stuff-Mart parking space?

Geotech Wrote:
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> One can certainly sympathize with the wheelwrights
> and buggy whip makers. Oh, wait, those were the gu
> ys automobiles put out of business 100 years ago.
>
> Here's a prediction: the demise of the internal co
> mbustion engine mechanic will be replaced with the
> rise in some other job function.
>
> Now, what's going to happen to all those old-timey
> gas stations when everyone can refuel in their gar
> age, or any Stuff-Mart parking space? Here's my prediction! I don't think you will ever see that day. look at diesel locomotive's. They still need the internal combustion engine to drive the generators to get range. Extension cords don't reach that far.

scoopjohnb Wrote:
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> Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> Don’t talk to me about hipsters, beards and a wood
> chuck shirt but never swung an axe in their life.
> Funky tatoues trying their best to differentiate t
> hemselves from the masses but without any real sub
> stance mostly copycatting.
> They grab a lot of iconic symbols and try to make
> them their own,... but are realy trying to belong.
>
> These guys and girls are 30-35 going on 18 and hav
> e a weird sense of values.
>
> I know a prime example: beard, tribal style ring i
> n his ear, adolf haircut, tatou on his arms and to
> ngue,... totally useless!!

Haha that is awesome thanks for the laugh...

Would be interesting if a computer chose when the Atom bomb should be fired, no humans involved.


ps ever



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Snap On Man Wrote:
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> Here's my prediction! I don't think you will ever see that day. look at diesel locomotive's. They still need the internal combustion
> engine to drive the generators to get range. Extension cords don't reach that far.

Personally, I don't drive a diesel locomotive, and what's applicative to locos and jet planes ain't necessarily applicative to the personal automobile market. I believe in my lifetime ICE-based cars will become a minority for everyday travel. Diesel locos and jet planes will continue. Old jobs will be lost, new jobs will be created. And people will be afraid of change. They always have been, and always will be.

Packrats love all cars. Wiring is like homemade pasta to them. Ask me how I know.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

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> Packrats love all cars. Wiring is like homemade p
> asta to them. Ask me how I know.

Agree, odd how this hobby is the love of history, while a few mildly mock our love of history.

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marcomo
A world of only self-driving cars in the future is inevitable.

My last car was a 2017 BMW 530i with active cruise control and auto-steering on the highway. I drove 400 miles during the day with one finger on the bottom of the steering wheel for 99% of the time. "I" drove 200 miles highway driving in pitch black at night letting the car steer itself. It was a wonderful experience.

Self drivers will allow you to drive them for quite some time. Companies that stress ‘performance’ will keep that option open for decades.

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marcomo
Drivers will essentially become passengers and thus able to perform other tasks while traveling...

There are six recognized levels of automation: [m.youtube.com]

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marcomo
The eventual elimination of vehicles powered by fossil fuel is also inevitable, although shale oil has pushed that date further out.

Or better said, improvements in internal combustion engines continue as electric cars’ range improves. Volvo’s new 2.0 liter (122 cubic inches) produces 306 hp ‘net’, with excellent gas mileage. And that 306hp ‘net’ was rated as 387hp ‘gross’ if advertised in a new 1965 Mustang.

I can't see a tiny 2 litre motor lasting long..and probable twice the amount of parts to squeeze out horsepower that will be prone to service.

, simple small engines, rev more, more revs = more wear.



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Self Drivers, they can't even keep a new train on track. R.I.P.


At least three people were killed over a hundred others were transported to hospital when an Amtrak train derailed south of Seattle at 7:40 a.m. Monday.

While officials couldn’t confirm if all passengers had been accounted for, but Fire officials said they had searched all the train cars for survivors.

Earlier media reports had said there were six killed, but officials couldn’t confirmed that number.

Any German or Japanese 2.0 liter will far outlast a sixty year old rebuilt Ford 289. The materials are better, the tolerances are tighter, the cooling is more uniform.

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guvmore
Self Drivers, they can't even keep a new train on track.

This accident occurred precisely because "Positive Train Control" was not used on this Amtrak train!

For those of you that dismiss the benefits of complex digital software processing, in cars, in trains... keep swinging your Bounty Hunter TR-700 while others are digging finds with F75s and Equinoxes.



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go-rebels Wrote:
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> Any German or Japanese 2.0 liter will far outlast
> a sixty year old rebuilt Ford 289. The materials
> are better, the tolerances are tighter, the coolin
> g is more uniform.


In your dreams lol.....go hug a cvt

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guvmore
Self Drivers, they can't even kee
> p a new train on track.

> K
> This accident occurred precisely because "Positive
> Train Control" was not used on this Amtrak
> train!
>
> For those of you that dismiss the benefits of comp
> lex digital software processing, in cars, in train
> s... keep swinging your Bounty Hunter TR-700 while
> others are digging finds with F75s and Equinoxes.


So you already know the Nox is a winner lol, There were safeguards still used with that train and the results were not good. Now maybe perfect the simple before ramming complicated technology on our backs.

There will always be a need for maintenance. Anything with moving parts is subject to wear and tear, and will eventually need replaced, not to mention sensors getting dirty or moved out of alignment, and causing a whole slough of problems. The issue today is that more and more people do not know how to do basic routine maintenance on their vehicles, and rely on taking it to shops to have everything done. From changing the oil, to changing a flat tire...people these days rely so heavily on other people doing it for them. I work for a Japanese auto part manufacturing company and in just my 15 years working for them, I have seen the evolution in the manufacturing lines. Some of the older ones required manual human labor to do most of the work; there wasn't any robots and the entire lines ran off of conveyor chains, light curtains, and manual switches to send parts to the next process, where as the newer ones have robots that do the same jobs, and everything is automated. I have more calls for the automated lines than the older ones, and they are often the ones that give the biggest headache in getting to the R.C. of the problem. It may be just one single dirty or flickering sensor not making that causes the whole process to stop and 100 other problems. Then to get to that one sensor, you have to take off 10 other things just to get to it. Most of the time the other stuff is not doweled or marked in any way; just have to put everything back on the best you can and tweak it as you go.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> There will always be a need for maintenance. Anyt
> hing with moving parts is subject to wear and tear
> , and will eventually need replaced, not to mentio
> n sensors getting dirty or moved out of alignment,
> and causing a whole slough of problems. The issue
> today is that more and more people do not know how
> to do basic routine maintenance on their vehicles,
> and rely on taking it to shops to have everything
> done. From changing the oil, to changing a flat t
> ire...people these days rely so heavily on other p
> eople doing it for them. I work for a Japanese au
> to part manufacturing company and in just my 15 ye
> ars working for them, I have seen the evolution in
> the manufacturing lines. Some of the older ones r
> equired manual human labor to do most of the work;
> there wasn't any robots and the entire lines ran o
> ff of conveyor chains, light curtains, and manual
> switches to send parts to the next process, where
> as the newer ones have robots that do the same job
> s, and everything is automated. I have more calls
> for the automated lines than the older ones, and t
> hey are often the ones that give the biggest heada
> che in getting to the R.C. of the problem. It may
> be just one single dirty or flickering sensor not
> making that causes the whole process to stop and 1
> 00 other problems. Then to get to that one sensor
> , you have to take off 10 other things just to get
> to it. Most of the time the other stuff is not do
> weled or marked in any way; just have to put every
> thing back on the best you can and tweak it as you
> go.

Interesting post....it took me a long time to even use a computer some folks just don't have a knack with new technology.

jaguar land rover and volvo claim all leccy cars by 2020... so thats not hanging around

what will happen to jay lenos car collection ? how long before classic car prices plummet if ever??



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diggers
jaguar land rover and volvo claim all leccy cars by 2020... so thats not hanging around

Volvo will sell all electric OR HYBRID beginning 2019.

Jaguar Land Rover will sell all electric OR HYBRID beginning 2020.

Hybrid = gasoline engine!

Nearly every BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Alfa, Peugeot will have hybrid options on every model by that time.

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diggers
what will happen to jay lenos car collection ? how long before classic car prices plummet if ever??

As long as gasoline is available, there will be a healthy classic car market.

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diggers
jaguar land rover and volvo claim
> all leccy cars by 2020... so thats not hanging aro
> und

>
> Volvo will sell all electric OR HYBRID beginning 2
> 019.
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> Jaguar Land Rover will sell all electric OR HYBRID
> beginning 2020.
>
> Hybrid = gasoline engine!
>
> Nearly every BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Alfa, Peugeo
> t will have hybrid options on every model by that
> time.
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diggers
what will happen to jay lenos car
> collection ? how long before classic car prices pl
> ummet if ever??

>
> As long as gasoline is available, there will be a
> healthy classic car market.



Makes sense, been in the market to buy one but living in Canad many are in your country or back east in Ontario. My classic Vette made a good profit on the sale. Had it for ten summer seasons.
hh

ps my brother's GTO well that price went through the roof, he blew 3 engines on it drove the stick shift model hard.

edit East



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Mechanics won’t be out of work for a long time. Too many old school systems are still the best solution. Brakes,suspension,internal combustion,traditional transmissions and gearboxes...people told me heavy mechanical would be gone in 10 years. That was 20 years ago. I am a mechanic and don’t see my job going anywhere in my lifetime.

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Mechanics won’t be out of work for a long time. Too many old school systems are still the best solution. I am a mechanic and don’t see my job going anywhere in my lifetime.

Totally agree. The only concern comes if and when OEMs use a proprietary communication protocol to output fault conditions. When that happens then it’s an expensive dealer-only fix.



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Money aside.....is there any member here that replaces a car after warranty up? guess of course to include extra bought etc.

Every 4-6 months for me. Just love that new car smell...

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> Every 4-6 months for me. Just love that new car s
> mell...


? do you mean years, is that a joke

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IDXMonster
Mechanics won’t be out of work
> for a long time. Too many old school systems are s
> till the best solution. I am a mechanic and don’t
> see my job going anywhere in my lifetime.

>
> Totally agree. The only concern comes if and when
> OEMs use a proprietary communication protocol to o
> utput fault conditions. When that happens then it
> ’s an expensive dealer-only fix.

Most of them do,for certain things. Not everything is OBD2. Those “code readers” than can be bought cheaply tell you the basics and then some,but not everything. When it comes to special functions,such as certain recalibration,the OEM tools are needed. And you’re right,that can be expensive.
“If you think a GOOD auto mechanic costs a lot,try a BAD one...”

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IDXMonster
Mechanics won’t be out of wo
> rk
> > for a long time. Too many old school systems are
> s
> > till the best solution. I am a mechanic and don’
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> > see my job going anywhere in my lifetime.[/quote
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> >
> > Totally agree. The only concern comes if and wh

> en
> > OEMs use a proprietary communication protocol to
> o
> > utput fault conditions. When that happens then
> it
> > ’s an expensive dealer-only fix.
>
> Most of them do,for certain things. Not everything
> is OBD2. Those “code readers” than can be bought c
> heaply tell you the basics and then some,but not e
> verything. When it comes to special functions,such
> as certain recalibration,the OEM tools are needed.
> And you’re right,that can be expensive.
> “If you think a GOOD auto mechanic costs a lot,try
> a BAD one...”

That is for sure had a bad mechanic leave rad clamps loose and insult to injury left the water pump bolts loose two call backs in one day.
Another mechanic got a spark wire squeezed under a head gasket and car failed the air test.

I found a good mechanic later on.....they offered me a free oil change screw them.

MONTHS!

No joke, and only BMWs.



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IDXMonster
Not everything is OBD2. Those “code readers” than can be bought cheaply tell you the basics and then some,but not everything. When it comes to special functions,such as certain recalibration,the OEM tools are needed.

Just like learning the nuances of new metal detectors, some of this lack of information can be mitigated through a deep dive in the internet. I’ve never found an automotive problem that was unique; the problem has always been experienced by someone else first. You just have to find it and (hopefully) find a troubleshooting process and corresponding fix. The newer the car, the more difficult to find the information. Hopefully, in those cases, your car is still under warranty.

Today’s shade mechanics can’t fix everything but most problems are fixable in your own garage.

If I worked for a car co., I would/could change out cars every 6 months, too. And I for one don't begrudge you getting to do so. My buddy is retired from a Japanese car co. and trades trucks every 6 months. HH jim tn