Where is the praying Manta??? (Some info posted here) by tester it seems

So how about this. If by 1 January 2020, Fisher is shipping their new PI beach detector to dealers and those dealers are offering it for sale without pre-order or any of the Minelab Equinox nonsense, you owe me a silver quarter and a silver dime - If not, I owe you the same?

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> So how about this. If by 1 January 2020, Fisher i
> s shipping their new PI beach detector to dealers
> and those dealers are offering it for sale without
> pre-order or any of the Minelab Equinox nonsense,
> you owe me a silver quarter and a silver dime - If
> not, I owe you the same?


Shipping to and in hand are way different AND don't you have inside info???

I am relying on no “inside info”.

You sure are careful with your quarters and dimes.

How about at least five forum members on established forums (with links to their post provided for your inspection) state that they have received their Fisher PI’s by the date of when January 2020? Is that definite enough for you?

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> I am relying on no “inside info”.
>
> You sure are careful with your quarters and dimes
> .
>
> How about at least five forum members on establis
> hed forums (with links to their post provided for
> your inspection) state that they have received the
> ir Fisher PI’s by the date of when January 2020?
> Is that definite enough for you?

Sure. I was thinking the bet should be more substantial. After all, it seems to be a matter of pride here that we are really talking about. How about the loser posts a decent sized forum post here. Explaining their methodology as to why they came to that conclusion, and why they were wrong WITH an apology to the winner?

I’m willing to risk anything reasonable and your proposal sounds fine to me I would remove the word apology however neither of us need apologize in any case. we have our opinions we have the grounds we have forming those opinions and if it turns out we’re wrong simple embarrassment should be fine! Lol

I have to admit that I was counting on your dime and quarter to buy my hamburger and dime cherry limeade at Blauser’s pharmacy. But then again fishers time machine probably won’t be ready by then so I won’t be able to go back to Blasuser’s

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> I’m willing to risk anything reasonable and your p
> roposal sounds fine to me I would remove the word
> apology however neither of us need apologize in a
> ny case. we have our opinions we have the grounds
> we have forming those opinions and if it turns out
> we’re wrong simple embarrassment should be fine!
> Lol
>
> I have to admit that I was counting on your dime a
> nd quarter to buy my hamburger and dime cherry lim
> eade at Blauser’s pharmacy. But then again fishe
> rs time machine probably won’t be ready by then so
> I won’t be able to go back to Blasuser’s

That's fine. Man the guy who is right win(which is me lol). All in fun here!

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> D&P-OR Wrote:
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> > tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > Just wondering
> >
> >
> > You gonna get one of those preying things daddy?
> ?:
> > )
>
> Del, my name is David.
>
> Will I get one?
> Can’t say just yet.
> Drivers:
> If more than $1500 nope.
> If more than 4 lbs nope
> If no wireless headphones nope.
> If have to be tethered to anything, cord wise NOPE
> .
>
> I am posting this info here for two reasons.
> One is to answer your question, and I’ll let you g
> uess the other reason.
>
> EMI noise cancel feature should be included on any
> worthy higher performing (higher priced) VLF or p
> ulse unit.
> Makes detector more user friendly too.




Thanks for answering my question daddy.-----Now us ole timers know what your likes & dis-likes are!-----I think I can guess the other reason---it's to let us know your IQ---right??----I'm kiddin, I'm kiddin!-----Laugh a little man, your face won't crack!----Life's too short to go through it all serious & down in the dumps all the time.-----Look at me (being IGNORANT & HAPPY)!-----Why---I even still like heavy, expensive Minelabs & LOVE wired h.p.'s---now how's that for being ignorant??-----Man my IQ must be in the tank!!!-----------Del

I laugh all the time here.

I laugh even harder when Go-rebels post here. Lol. See.

Where is ole Go-rebels anyway?
Maybe he is basking in his stock profits. LoL. See Del I laughed again.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2018 05:48PM by tnsharpshooter.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> I laugh all the time here.
>
> I laugh even harder when Go-rebels post here. Lol
> . See.
>
> Where is ole Go-rebels anyway?
> Maybe he is basking in his stock profits. LoL. See
> Del I laughed again.


That's mah boy!! Ain't so hard is it?

I did not understand everything, word game
Too complicated for me

to return on the name: Manta
originally it was an idea of Alexandre
develop a detector on a soft wing
shaped like: manta ray ....

4 or 6 coil over two meters wide
to detect in one pass: 2 meters wide
the idea is still there, one day can be ...........

about the FAQ
I do not have a release date
if the electronic is fully operational
it is necessary to always validate the mechanical part
new hull coil, new waterproof box , new waterproofing system never seen on a detector
it takes time .........

once again, Aquamanta is optimizing on gold rings
nothing else
Terramanta will optimize on gold nuggets
nothing else

the goal was to give the best on a target type
Contrary to detectors multi-stain / passes everywhere

if you want to be good on all metals and go everywhere
you are forced to make compromises

the manta do not compromise = gold, just gold

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Detector used : Fisher Aquamanta /

Pulsepower Goldscan 5c / Aquastar / Goldquest SSV3 / Nexus Coronado / Vista Gold

Remember those words – “gold – just gold”

Perhaps the high end of the detector world is changing. Folks who spend lots of time in the field are not usually Magpies - grabbing this here, that there.

Folks who seriously hunt - often end up specilized - intensly focusing on certian targets in certian settings.

Minelab understood this - the FBS/BBS machines turned out to be the ultimate for deep US silver. Their PI gold machines still rule the roost In nugget hunting

Perhaps we will see more narrowly focused machines in the future.

Modern software techniques allow digital signal processing of all types when applied to the target return signal of metal detector. The temptation is for the designer to give the user dozens of options of how to process the return signal . Sadly the result is sometimes user confusion and the annoying feeling when you’re out with your detector that you maybe don’t have it set up right for what you’re doing.

At the same time all those engineering hours spent on cooking up all the different combinations of settings to bake into the different pre-selected modes perhaps could’ve been better spent focusing narrowly and fiercely on the quest for certain category of target under certain circumstances.

Swiss Army knives are very impressive with their combination of tools but I wouldn’t want to carve a turkey with one or try to fight off an angry bear. Sometimes the most challenging tasks are best met with simple but highly focused tools.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

With software it could be possible to have one detector and have modes for gold jewelry, relics, coins or nugget hunting. A different coil would be required for each mode. When you switch to different modes you could have different screens with different settings for each mode. With software anything is possible.

Rick

Rick...... i agree. In the Mantas case if you are going to make a beach machine keep it simple. I really could care less if it hits well on coins..... especially pennies ugh. Concentrate on GOLD. Which means it just needs to do a few things well...... work in salt water, disc iron, and find gold. I can use any multi freq to find coins and silver jewelry as well as copper and brass. Now you talk about how much a small piece of gold is worth....... grab a HAND FULL of silver and do the math. A good water/wet sand machine may not be what the masses want (multi use) ..... but if you hunt those area its whats needed.

Rick, N. MI Wrote:
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> With software it could be possible to have one det
> ector and have modes for gold jewelry, relics, coi
> ns or nugget hunting. A different coil would be re
> quired for each mode. When you switch to different
> modes you could have different screens with differ
> ent settings for each mode. With software anything
> is possible.
>
> Rick

yes, seen this way, it is quite possible
on the next version with more digital processing
one coil optimize on gold and another for silver

but first the analog model
the next machines will take over the same box
development and production will be shorter ......

I expect a lot of bipolar
which should be even better
(more complicated to put in series because of the coil)

and there is something else on the fire, it's just the beginning

Today kind of proves a point. I grabbed this 1.2 gram 14K earring in the water with the Nox which will consistently hit it at 4"...... none of my other machines knows its there. Its worth about $30 melt......how much silver do you have to dig..... well even coins for that one earring? Bracelet is 15.4 grams of silver...... what is that about 1/2 ounce.... or $7.50 melt. Anyone seeing some advantages to having a machine that gets this gold with any consistency? Hate to do this but i have no idea how to post pictures here.

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If the Manta or any detector, for that matter, can light it up over gold and not aluminium, slaw, etc. they can ask what they like and sell all they can make- IMHO!
My Equinox gets pretty excited over micro foil even at an impressive depth. If they could do a software update to make a setting that was gold only (no cheap imitations) I'd pony up another grand and not bat an eye. I have a Reg mod TDI (and an SL), 2 CZs, 3 Excals, and a CTX consoling each other in the closet while the 800 goes out on dates. I don't see myself as a big ring hunter, but I have made a pretty good investment so far. I tell people this is a hobby for people who are happy spending a thousand dollars to find pennies (not looking to build competition...). What would I spend to find a drop dead cocktail ring or killer wedding ring? Never mind I finished my second cup of coffee and feel better now.

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

it's impossible to tell the difference between gold and aluminum
whether it's PI, vlf or multifrequency
and the conductivity display is not accurate enough
to be 100% reliable

with the manta, depending on the type of headphones
I get to have a difference of tone gold vs aluminum
according to the type of sand
we have no better for now

but it is not said that one day a new technology
to be able to make a difference
a real difference net and without false note

maybe someday .....

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Detector used : Fisher Aquamanta /

Pulsepower Goldscan 5c / Aquastar / Goldquest SSV3 / Nexus Coronado / Vista Gold

yes, seen this way, it is quite possible
on the next version with more digital processing
one coil optimize on gold and another for silver

but first the analog model
the next machines will take over the same box
development and production will be shorter ......

What are the short comings of an analog PI vs a digital? The obvious question would be ....... when's the next version expected?

Hey, Dew, ya think someday it will be a wireless (bluetooth?) accessory and a phone app?

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

I have made that statement......... but very unlikely at this point. Still cant talk underwater, you have the issue of how's the coil going to talk with the phone, and another biggy...... phones arent very standard as well as battery life. Pretty major hurdles. Im really waiting on the artificial intelligence version that can tell me ..... oh oh dig that its gold lol. At this point most of us would settle with the machine being able to id gold as well as it does a coin. Im not sure im ever going to get a coil cover with the Nox before my warranty is up lol. I do wonder what Fisher will offer with the machine...... more than one coil option, GOOD waterproof headphones, will the machine fell old school since it analog?

I gotta admit I was not thinking water, though everything seems to be getting more and more waterproof... Someone will resolve the transmission problem eventually as well, something the military is using maybe?
I am not a cover fan.
I am rooting for Fisher to bring out a killer unit.
I have a pair of custom built UW 'phones for my 800 I am VERY happy with. I always made my own for the Excal (can't stand the ML ones, CTX's as well ). I have some DetectorPros I am okay with but not crazy about.

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> What are the short comings of an analog PI vs a di
> gital? The obvious question would be ....... whe
> n's the next version expected?


not really weak point
digital processing simply offers more adjustment possibilities
without having recourse to other knob
possibility to modify the reading time / optimize the search for light jewels or heavy jewels
for example and many other options
to optimize the search according to the site and the conditions

but for a reliable result it takes hours of programming
((in the reality of months of programming and tests)))
so always a question of time ...


dewcon4414 Wrote:
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will the machine fell old school since it analog?


you will be deeper than 10 inches
on a big gold ring
compare to an exca, ctx or equinox

so yes, you will not have the dashboard of an electronic game
neither the gps or the time it is or the weather the next day lol
but is it really old school with 10 inches better

I’m pretty sure our pal LeJag means that it will be 10” deeper than the VLF machines he mentioned - not that it will detect to a max of 10”.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Surely that 10" aint in the salt water........sorry but thats hard to believe even here in Fl. You also must be talking a pretty good sized gold ring. Im from Missouri on this one. Im expecting better depth or even better sensitivity to SMALL gold..... im waiting to be impressed and if it gets 10" better HERE..... im impressed because thats quit the claim. What size coil are you using again? Rick ..... i understood the claim, but surely you had to blink at that one buddy. That would be like 20" in the water or more.

I wouldn't doubt that a pi with a lot of power could get 10'' inches deeper. I keep thinking back to how much deeper the TDI Pro was.

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Nox600, CTX, CZ21, Excal II and White's DF with 920i stealthscoop...I live and hunt at the beach in Wilm NC

Based on what I have seen on the various videos posted, LeJag detects on beaches with lots of black sand. In such ground, 10” deeper than a VLF IB multifreaker is plausible. In any event, I guess he can explain it if he wishes. Of course all such claims will be irrelevant when and if a production PI from Fisher gets into the hands of hundreds or thousands of hunters.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Based on what I have seen on the various videos po
> sted, LeJag detects on beaches with lots of black
> sand. In such ground, 10” deeper than a VLF IB mu
> ltifreaker is plausible. In any event, I guess he
> can explain it if he wishes. Of course all such cl
> aims will be irrelevant when and if a production P
> I from Fisher gets into the hands of hundreds or t
> housands of hunters.

...in 2020

Rick...... theres going to be a learning curve here im guessing. I suppose thats part of the reason Toms did the post on PIs. Id also like to take the opportunity to challenge Fisher to hit that small gold. If im digging 20+ inches for deep heavy gold..... theres a LOT ... LOT of trash that far down..... especially if its never touched by other detectors ever. BUT..... think small gold...... and before anyone starts im not talking tiny tiny..... but small gold, there isnt nearly as much trash to dig thru at even 7" because of lot of that is dug by VLFs. Its lighter gold as well. What im seeing is still RINGS...... lets think beyond LARGE rings here. This smaller gold wont necessarily fall thur a scoop...... its just a few inches down below the machines sensitivity level. I posted a 1.2 gram open earring the other day........ came in at the digit 1 on the Nox at 4"....... the Xcal and CTX did not detect that. Most people even in the water will blink at digging unknown targets 20+ inches down .... especially after a pouch full other detectors missed. Yes .... i would be one of those digging. I believe there is a medium here where we wont be saying its unusable like we do in the dry sand. Reduce the depth a bit if needed for the small gold trade off. IMO thats a better pay off effort to reward. The Nox is a good machine and maybe a bit more sensitive to small gold like those earrings i mentioned....... but pretty much business ans usual for a VLF in the salt water....... rings. Id like to see a good balance of depth but more so small gold at a reasonable depth we all know theres a lot of small womens rings and other SMALL gold there.



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I watched an old guy with a high end ML PI dig an 18 inch nickel in dry sand a while back and thought it was way too much work for a nickel! Doing that on trash? Life is too short and discrimination is too vague. A couple inches more ok, but 10? Who has the discipline to cut down the sensitivity? I guess I could get an excavator if not for the cost of permits...

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

Sand is very easy to dig. I would gladly dig a couple of extra shovel-fulls….. to ascertain targets that no other detector can reach.

Dew has a valid (read = Critical) point on finding small and tiny jewelry. ((( I dream of...…… but would never expect...….. to find micro-jewelry in the wet-salt. )))

Yes..... the focus ALWAYS seems to be on "RINGS"...…… which is absurdly (scientifically) incorrect.