Keith Southern... what was your detector of choice in 2011?

A wonderful thread, full of information. I wonder if the original question asked by the poster is changed from 2011 to 2014, what would change??? Or even 2015, since the year is over half past.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2015 06:32PM by tnsharpshooter.

How refreshing. This is why I came to love thid gorum. Hope it grts back to this. Thanks for diggin it up Tnn!

You are welcome Ray.

Loads of good info already here, plus some great info still being added.

Priceless! I have spent the last two weeks moving equipment. I got rid of all my dirt detectors. I sold two and traded two. I traded the Explorer XS plus a little green for a new AT Pro. I don't know if I will even open it, but I figured if some dirt hunting fell in my lap I need something. My third one. My wife loved the influx of cash. Me I hate mailing detectors. What a pain.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2015 08:59PM by goodmore.

Reading this thread and was going to bring it back to life but see tss already has,good deal.
Same question, time has past and some well talked about tid/vid machines have come about,I.e the Nokta and Makro machines
and do they meet the criteria for a digital machine you were looking for Keith?

Something you mentioned about turning the sensitivity up to 99 with the t2 in trash to I.D better
sounds similar to something I stumble across while hunting with my CZ's about 25 yrs ago.
I found that on some iffy targets when I would use the pinpoint button and then scan afterwards that it would clear the target up
to a clean repeatable signal for several seconds.
Anyway awesome thread.

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2016 04:48AM by supertraq.

This is why Facebook and the forums are totally different - Zombie threads.

Not complaining, just stating the obvious. Whatever you post on a forum, some bright spark is likely to dig up, sniff and comment on 5 years down the road!

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> This is why Facebook and the forums are totally
> different - Zombie threads.
>
> Not complaining, just stating the obvious.
> Whatever you post on a forum, some bright spark is
> likely to dig up, sniff and comment on 5 years
> down the road!

I don't think any one of use were looking for your input,
I mean really you felt a need to make a useless response,wow.
If your complaining then why are you replying, whining?

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2016 08:21AM by supertraq.

It wasn't a comment on what anyone wrote, just a comment on how forums differ from Facebook - something I felt was worth commenting on.

I probably should have said "Some interested person" instead of "some bright spark" and "revives the discussion" instead of "digs it up" - and of course, "sniff" was also a poor choice of words.

I also specifically stated that I was not complaining.

I like the forums, this one in particular - and one reason I do is exactly because here we can find something in the archives and bump it to the top pf the heap for continued discussion.

Sorry my 471st post on this forum offended you - it was not my intention to offend, just to compare forums to Facebook. This is relevant since most manufacturers are concentrating on FB for customer contact and paying less attention to the forums. There are several reasons for this, one of which is that they are working hard to attract younger and more diverse demographics.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2016 03:46PM by lytle78.

We all have our favorites whether old or new an of course conditions differ from area to area. In any case Keith you really undess all the units in an unbiased fashion and keep your info coming as sure appreciated.

I'm glad some bright spark did dig this up. There's some good, some really good meat in this old thread. And a lot more where this came from, and for sure a lot better than some of the regular, ongoing postings.

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

I spend most of my time here searching for this kind of invaluable information, especially since we still have snow on the ground here in northern AZ and cold....



[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

And

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

HH to all (sorry I didn't hotlink those) Wayne

DirtyDimesDugDirtCheap Wrote:
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> I spend most of my time here searching for this
> kind of invaluable information, especially since
> we still have snow on the ground here in northern
> AZ and cold....

That's what I thought,definitely a top 1% thread.
>
>
>
> [www.dankowskidetectors.com]
> .php?2,46127,page=2
>
> And
>
> [www.dankowskidetectors.com]
> .php?2,34171
>
> HH to all (sorry I didn't hotlink those) Wayne

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.

Well havent we come along ways in a few short years it seems!!

Things I and other's wanted 4 years ago have indeed come to pass YET a different route was taken to meet the want's ..things out of left field for lack of better words..

Im thinking nail disc resolution ...and that is very important for retrieving non ferrous out of ferrous jambalya mixture's..

Yet Here comes some NEW BREED of digital units ((and of course out of EUROPE)) and they have the ability to BLEED and BLEND audio through PROCESSING that most all the work of fine tuning and advanced skill-set starts to dwindle...

By this I mean instead of having the fine tunability of break a low tone to a high tone right dead on a nail so we can hopefully see a target in its surrounding ferrous halo we now have started to see machines blend the audio instead fo a start up shut down one tone at a time response like so many tone units do..By this I mean once the Audio is triggered for say a detector to report a piece of iron like a nail..it has to fire and as it fires it has a start-report-stop...that's all it can do once it fires that tone..So if theres also a Good non ferrous piece lying next to or close proximity till the machine quits firing the iron tone it cnat fire the non ferrous higher tone....

So while I wanted a exact tone break of finite resolution we still see theres a dampening effect..Buffer if you will of its still only pone tone at a time...and thing targets and small low conductors still risk being Ignored ..things like say that gold Nib I dug yesterday or a 1 dollar gold coin..or a cuff button..or thin silver soldier corps badge the list goes on of possible valuable finds that can be lost even with finite resolution..This is because of one tone at a time reports..

Well now we have multi tones at a time reports...and I dont mean like a switching in terms of rolling type low high low in one pass..I mean in terms of the low and high at the same time on top of each other..Yes High Definition Audio..

This hit me out of left field I must say as I was wanting a analog two tone feel and resolution type unit..a Tejon in two tone with user defined tone break by disc setting if you will..

What engineers have come up with is let the tone break stay at a factory defined setting of say 40 but yet it bleeds so well that a nail at 31 is still trying to be sparky sounding...so anything in its halo zone has a chance to break in...Sort of like the old CB radios have the squelch low enough and alot of back ground noise comes in but alot more signal comes int to even faint signals way off...

Instead of nail just staying solid low tone as you would think the nail actually is bleeding a high tone with the low tone...So now if there is a non ferrous target in close proximity the bleed of high tone will be a little more than normal spark bleed sound and to the tuned ear that's a signal to dig....May tun out to be just a fatter headed nail than the rest but it can also turn out to be a GOODIE..

Also the tuned ear can begin to pick up on the rounder sounds in the bleed..this bleed in my mind is less filtering of disc circuit..The blending of the tones and the bleed of the filters really does take things to the next level in the digital world of unmasking targets in iron..

Now after running these blendy bleeders..Im not sure the exact tone break would net more...actually I'm worried now an exact tone break on nail would just allow far too much Bleed of nail and item below nail conductance wise to make a site overly noisy for a hunt....

Sort of like let the factory tweak it then let the software bleed and blend forma that KNOWN point...May keep us out of trouble audio wise..Im thinking you may meet a point of over saturation..

Also I would like to add the Bleedy blendy filters do a amazing job of bad ground punch..Again the Ground is a target.. the more you can accept of that target the more you can see around that target..

It will have the ability to be less prone to calling a deep non ferrous targets as ferrous in bad soil...it will bleed enough of the ground signal into the circuit that it can see it better than a machine that uses more filter to keep the gound quiet..

So what are my now DIGITAL Choices for 2016

DEUS
GMP

CoRe
Racer
FG+

FG+ is my bread and butter unit as of late..it to me is the perfect relic unit in my soil..From first swing it just felt and sounded and behaved like I want a unit to do..


wonder what tomorrow may hold...??

Thanks for the questions..

alway's honored to answer what I can...

please remember though all my opinion and I'm more interested in iron unlocking than park hunting and such..So things I like and things I use may not be the ultimate tool in other locales..



Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Well havent we come along ways in a few short
> years it seems!!
>
> Things I and other's wanted 4 years ago have
> indeed come to pass YET a different route was
> taken to meet the want's ..things out of left
> field for lack of better words..
>
> Im thinking nail disc resolution ...and that is
> very important for retrieving non ferrous out of
> ferrous jambalya mixture's..
>
> Yet Here comes some NEW BREED of digital units
> ((and of course out of EUROPE)) and they have the
> ability to BLEED and BLEND audio through
> PROCESSING that most all the work of fine tuning
> and advanced skill-set starts to dwindle...
>
> By this I mean instead of having the fine
> tunability of break a low tone to a high tone
> right dead on a nail so we can hopefully see a
> target in its surrounding ferrous halo we now have
> started to see machines blend the audio instead fo
> a start up shut down one tone at a time response
> like so many tone units do..By this I mean once
> the Audio is triggered for say a detector to
> report a piece of iron like a nail..it has to fire
> and as it fires it has a
> start-report-stop...that's all it can do once it
> fires that tone..So if theres also a Good non
> ferrous piece lying next to or close proximity
> till the machine quits firing the iron tone it
> cnat fire the non ferrous higher tone....
>
> So while I wanted a exact tone break of finite
> resolution we still see theres a dampening
> effect..Buffer if you will of its still only pone
> tone at a time...and thing targets and small low
> conductors still risk being Ignored ..things like
> say that gold Nib I dug yesterday or a 1 dollar
> gold coin..or a cuff button..or thin silver
> soldier corps badge the list goes on of possible
> valuable finds that can be lost even with finite
> resolution..This is because of one tone at a time
> reports..
>
> Well now we have multi tones at a time
> reports...and I dont mean like a switching in
> terms of rolling type low high low in one pass..I
> mean in terms of the low and high at the same time
> on top of each other..Yes High Definition Audio..
>
> This hit me out of left field I must say as I was
> wanting a analog two tone feel and resolution type
> unit..a Tejon in two tone with user defined tone
> break by disc setting if you will..
>
> What engineers have come up with is let the tone
> break stay at a factory defined setting of say 40
> but yet it bleeds so well that a nail at 31 is
> still trying to be sparky sounding...so anything
> in its halo zone has a chance to break in...Sort
> of like the old CB radios have the squelch low
> enough and alot of back ground noise comes in but
> alot more signal comes int to even faint signals
> way off...
>
> Instead of nail just staying solid low tone as you
> would think the nail actually is bleeding a high
> tone with the low tone...So now if there is a non
> ferrous target in close proximity the bleed of
> high tone will be a little more than normal spark
> bleed sound and to the tuned ear that's a signal
> to dig....May tun out to be just a fatter headed
> nail than the rest but it can also turn out to be
> a GOODIE..
>
> Also the tuned ear can begin to pick up on the
> rounder sounds in the bleed..this bleed in my
> mind is less filtering of disc circuit..The
> blending of the tones and the bleed of the filters
> really does take things to the next level in the
> digital world of unmasking targets in iron..
>
> Now after running these blendy bleeders..Im not
> sure the exact tone break would net
> more...actually I'm worried now an exact tone
> break on nail would just allow far too much Bleed
> of nail and item below nail conductance wise to
> make a site overly noisy for a hunt....
>
> Sort of like let the factory tweak it then let the
> software bleed and blend forma that KNOWN
> point...May keep us out of trouble audio wise..Im
> thinking you may meet a point of over
> saturation..
>
> Also I would like to add the Bleedy blendy
> filters do a amazing job of bad ground
> punch..Again the Ground is a target.. the more you
> can accept of that target the more you can see
> around that target..
>
> It will have the ability to be less prone to
> calling a deep non ferrous targets as ferrous in
> bad soil...it will bleed enough of the ground
> signal into the circuit that it can see it better
> than a machine that uses more filter to keep the
> gound quiet..
>
> So what are my now DIGITAL Choices for 2016
>
> DEUS
> GMP
>
> CoRe
> Racer
> FG+
>
> FG+ is my bread and butter unit as of late..it to
> me is the perfect relic unit in my soil..From
> first swing it just felt and sounded and behaved
> like I want a unit to do..
>
>
> wonder what tomorrow may hold...??
>
> Thanks for the questions..
>
> alway's honored to answer what I can...
>
> please remember though all my opinion and I'm more
> interested in iron unlocking than park hunting and
> such..So things I like and things I use may not be
> the ultimate tool in other locales..
>
>
>
> Keith

Keith, how close does the F19 come to your 2016 list?

Very very good unit Sir!

And its right there close but my eyes have been opened by bleed and blend audio..

But unless your splitting hairs on a site the F19 is a great unit to have in its own right and very productive..I also think its the best iron site machine made in the U.S. at the moment ...

I can say this ,,,if that's all you have to work in iron you aint hurting by a long shot its deadly in iron....skill levels and enthusiasm will go along ways towards narrowing the gaps ..

Most of my thoughts are of my requirements and everyone hunts different and needs different..

A FG+ plus is alot like the F19 ..just a little more sparky and more blendy and bleedy...little more gain too..Siort of a steroid Version ..LOL!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Very very good unit Sir!
>
> And its right there close but my eyes have been
> opened by bleed and blend audio..
>
> But unless your splitting hairs on a site the F19
> is a great unit to have in its own right and very
> productive..I also think its the best iron site
> machine made in the U.S. at the moment ...
>
> I can say this ,,,if that's all you have to work
> in iron you aint hurting by a long shot its deadly
> in iron....skill levels and enthusiasm will go
> along ways towards narrowing the gaps ..
>
> Most of my thoughts are of my requirements and
> everyone hunts different and needs different..
>
> A FG+ plus is alot like the F19 ..just a little
> more sparky and more blendy and bleedy...little
> more gain too..Siort of a steroid Version ..LOL!
>
> Keith

Ok. because I'm really torn between the F19, and Racer. The better "Blendy Bleedy" of the Racer or FG is where I'm having tough time deciding

Are you after non ferrous in iron or are you after coins and such ..

I should say are you relic hunting or Coin huning or a both..

For pure relics I prefer the FG+ personally for old sites full of iron when I just want to massage targets out of iron..

For coins and or relics the Racer would have more appeal..Yet no notching for tabs and such if you need that..BUT the AUDIO of the Racer will TALK to you in modern trash more than the F19 in modern trash...

the F19 one would be a good Relic unit and a standby coins unit in modern trash..Has some notching features..

Any more decided now LOL!!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Are you after non ferrous in iron or are you after
> coins and such ..
>
> I should say are you relic hunting or Coin huning
> or a both..
>
> For pure relics I prefer the FG+ personally for
> old sites full of iron when I just want to massage
> targets out of iron..
>
> For coins and or relics the Racer would have more
> appeal..Yet no notching for tabs and such if you
> need that..BUT the AUDIO of the Racer will TALK to
> you in modern trash more than the F19 in modern
> trash...
>
> the F19 one would be a good Relic unit and a
> standby coins unit in modern trash..Has some
> notching features..
>
> Any more decided now LOL!!
>
> Keith

Both, and of course not. And its the "audio' in the Racer that I like. Let me add this, I will also have (coming) a Coinmaster GT, and possibly adding a CORS Scout or NEL Hunter to it! The F19 and Racer intrigue me for different reasons of course. Ive been out of it since the 80's, with a 4/DB, which I still have. And back then I was a dig all guy. So, if I have the CM GT, which of those other two would be better companion? Besides Notch, anything the F19 will do over the Racer? Any advantage with the extra kHz?

The F19 has a Deeper all metal mode I feel..

But in day in day out hunting I find the Racer to be as sensitive as the F19 on even small gold while in disc mode..

If you have tuff dirt I would lean towards the Racer as it seems to report in the soil better in terms of not calling non ferrous as ferrous at say past 7 inches or so in mineral..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

I gotta find me another 1236X2. Best analog audio I have ever used. The preset Iron disc switch was perfect..

Lobo Super Traq.. digs good big iron all day long, so distinctive on axe heads and similar items.

Backline, I keep my Bandido for that same reason as lobo .

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> The F19 has a Deeper all metal mode I feel..
>
> But in day in day out hunting I find the Racer to
> be as sensitive as the F19 on even small gold
> while in disc mode..
>
> If you have tuff dirt I would lean towards the
> Racer as it seems to report in the soil better in
> terms of not calling non ferrous as ferrous at say
> past 7 inches or so in mineral..
>
> Keith

Does the F19 retain last settings when powered off?

Yes it has a Memory..

It will hold tone break and Disc setting..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

"FG+ is my bread and butter unit as of late..it to me is the perfect relic unit in my soil..From first swing it just felt and sounded and behaved like I want a unit to do.. "

Sounds like someone was listening to Mr. Southern!!

HH