decided to pull the video

Hi guys.

New to the forum. I was a lurker until this video was posted.

I carry bear spray with a 30' reach for bears, cougars and other aggressive animals. We've even considered carrying a really big caliber side cannon for protection from wild life. This video is inflamatory and should be pulled. Just saying.

Personally, I don't like to step on a wildflower so I'm careful about leaving tracks of our presents. Maybe somebody can explain to a neophyte why violent behavior of this kind would be seen in a positive light as you can't be arrested for leaving holes in the ground but you can get arrested for inciting violence against others, threatening others and causing others physical harm. This video rises to the level of breaking the law.

We call crimes in and let law enforcement take care of things. Not everybody is afraid of loudmouthed bullies and everybody can get their butt kicked.

I know this is a first post but this thread is what made me register as the violent, illegal and inflammatory nature of the video needed to be addressed. Loud mouthed bullies threatening others need to be put out of business with arrest and charged accordingly. I don't care how cultually accepted they are.

(We're looking to buy our first two or three MD's for coin/relic/gold hunting where we live in California's gold country above Chico. There's no way we would want to be associated with a group of people who condone this type of behavior. Might as well hang with the gangs of Chico if being accepting of this type of behavior)

Up to this thread you guys seemed like a rational bunch of guys.....well, all except for the thread knocking the TV show "Dig Wars". We like that show as shows like that are about entertainment and we find it just that, entertaining when waiting to turn out the lights for the night.

(hope this first post doesn't put anybody off regarding my opinion of this thread for if it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have registered)

Yes, I understand there's a cultural thing going on here and yes, as newbes, we both want to do things within the culture as we're not going metal detecting to cause anybody or anything harm and yes, we're open to cultural suggestiongs so we don't have confrontations and don't cause the hobby any harm.



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 02:41PM by BeeMan458.

I seldom watch videos but I finally decided to see what this thread was about.

I've come across unfilled holes before and it ticks me off. You can tell for sure it's one of our own and not an animal when you see pieces of metal trash by some of the holes or thrown against a nearby tree. I'd have no problem reading someone like that the riot act. But I wouldn't childishly throw my anger out on video for the vast majority of responsible detectorists to endure.

The guy doing this video comes off as a foul-mouthed, homophobic and obnoxious jerk.

To my mind, he made himself more wrong than the guy who was wrong in the first place.

Guys, he was angry and venting, blowing off steam, a few cuss words,.....wooptie friggen do. There are much worse ways to blow off steam.

Beeman...Are you serious??? Btw, good luck on the pepper spray, if your that scared of the wildlife, maybe stay indoors??? Now that pepper spray may come In handy on the tweakers you will run into.

Yes I'm that serious and yes, the pepper spray is that good. There's being scared and there's being stupid and there's having the wisdom to know the difference.

A violent video threatening violence was posted and I posted an opinion in response.

As to being scared and staying indoors, we live in bear and cougar territory and yes, there are regular sightings and only foolish people go out unprepared. Unprepared, would you send your children and wife into bear/cougar territory, because you didn't want your wife and children to think you were scared for their welfare? I'll let you explain the wisdom of what you suggest to your children's grand-parents. And I'll let anybody who wants, explain this video to the local district attorney.

Just saying, this is the type of video that will give any outdoor hobby a black eye as the individual does not project a peaceful, family attitude but projects the attitude of a seriously messed up person.

You guys can keep this call for violence as when we're out prospecting, we're looking for peace and if some nut case approaches us, they'll be pepper sprayed and if need be, tazed and turned over to the authorities for assault. Just because people are peaceful doesn't mean they're a patsy. I'll step out of the thread as it was the need for an opposing opinion that cause me to join the forum as I search for information to enhance our knowledge base so we can make a proper MD choice to serve our purposes.

Based on comments left in this thread, you've told me that in general, people are best served staying away from people with MD's in their hands and I appreciate the heads-up.



Edited 8 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2013 03:04PM by BeeMan458.

Sometimes it takes a newbie to actually drive a point home!!

Don't care for the holes, don't care for the foul language being used, this is supposed to be fun !!

HH
Johnb

I guess I'm desensitized to foul language from being in the construction trades for most of my life. The only time it shocks me is when my adult kids occasionally drop the F bomb.
Some say using that word is a sign of low intelligence, don't think so......it's a matter of controlling oneself and being civil with your speech.
I've heard many of F bombs dropped from the mouths of people with IQ's over 140.

Hey bee, I spend ALL my free time in bear and cougar country...I'm 100 miles south of you. Its the cartel and tweakers you should worry about. Bears can be a nuisance, but you won't know a cougar is attacking till its too late.

I love how Hollywood portrays ambush predators like a cougar, snarling it's intent in a tree. Agreed regarding ambush predators but while I'm having my skull or wind pipe crushed like a skunk, even if spraying the pepper spray all over myself, I have a chance if getting my pepper spray off. As to cartels and tweakers, they keep to themselves as it's not to their advantage to bring attention to themselves by shooting somebody and they know this.

It's convenient to think the person you're communicating with is an idiot. It's respectful to give one the benefit of the doubt.

Like diving, I prefer to go into the wilds with a buddy or my wife. With an equally prepared buddy, one has a chance. A predator has to make a choice who in the herd they're going pounce on. Deer run, humans fight back. Despite the fairytale some like to float, we share the top of the food chain, not the bottom. Big bears eat little bears and those at the top of the food chain are constantly in conflict with each other.

I really do want to be peaceful and I really do stay away from people who support violence such as was the case of the posted video. The guy in the video needs to apoligize for posting an illegal video of the kind he voluntarily posted as I want these kinds of people in jail or at least reserve the right to protect myself from this type of behavior.

This is a seriously deranged individual that rational, well adjusted people cannot support.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2013 02:40AM by BeeMan458.

Have fun..

Bee I'm guessing you don't know him and only seen one video and you want to throw the book at him and escort him too jail? Big Brother is WATCHING & I need a hug? breaker(x2)



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2013 07:12PM by rapidroy7.

No, pretty much as "anybody" who posts videos like this violence promoting video, has serious issues they need to deal with.

You really do need to step back a pace and see how violence encouraging videos like this come across to people not associated with this hobby. All this video did was warn us that people with MD's are violence prone, crazy people to be stayed away from. I'm a Conservative and you've given me the heads-up that people with MD's in their hands support violent behavior in the same way Progressives support people who see violence as a solution to all that makes up their dissatisfaction.

I've settled on a Minelab, X-Terra 705 with an added HF gold coil and a Fisher, Gold Bug Pro with an added low frequency head, accessories and upgrades. We promise to keep to ourselves and we won't threaten anybody who fails to fill in their holes. On our part, we'll respect the hobby and we'll have no trouble thoughtfully filling in our holes as the last thing we want to do is to set crazy people with MD's off. Good hunting all.

Ta.



Edited 12 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2013 01:22PM by BeeMan458.

There's a lot of crazy, violent prone tweakers in the area your going..be careful lol.

Hello Bee never once condoned it don't see where you construed that I did? Was looking at your 2nd one line paragraph where you so eloquently described what I call giving a sucker a even break?

fisher cz-3d Wrote:
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> I decided to pull the video (Wild Bills) from
> Toms Page... We at some point in our lives have
> become so mad that we swear or hit a wall or do
> what we need to "vent"......I can see I have
> stirred up alot of oppinions....Last I knew this
> is a FREE country.. Wild Bill is not a criminal,
> and we are allowed to speak or minds...If you read
> Wild Bills comment on the video page he does
> apoligize........We are all human.........Happy
> Hunting...

Loads of irony here considering your thread was hijacked within the first 5 posts and the remaining 80% of the replies had nothing to do with the video itself.
You gave people adequate warning but it's amazing how many just won't believe the stoves hot without touching it and , are the first to cry about getting burned.

The lessons learned here are:

1. A video with a detectorist behaving badly only feeds the public's latent impression that metal detectorists are not only socially weird and outcasts but are potentially violent people as well. Some would put us in the same class with vagrants and bums - dumpster divers looking for garbage. Could these odd creatures be violent? (apparently they can be if they find unfilled holes in the ground).

2. If after behaving badly - and you've finished your angry rant, delete the video and be thankful only a squirrel was there to hear it. Posting it on YouTube - bad. Linking to it on other websites - worse. If you're sorry for doing it you'll be even sorrier for broadcasting it everywhere.

3. If after all the smoke clears you discover an opossum was the hole-digging culprit - how satirical is that. Emotional rants and curse-filled outbursts make one appear childish and undisciplined. It doesn't impress most people nor does it put the big scare on those outlaw marsupials.

4. The louder someone barks the less likely they are going to do anything more than give an exhibition. You don't fear the bully who displays outrage - you are concerned for the guy with an even keel and calm disposition. They're the dogs that bite.

5. Lastly, if you hope to gain sympathy for your cause, don't behave like a bigger jerk than the unethical jerk who offended you in the first place. The intended point will be lost on your audience if your antics distract and ultimately usurp the message. The message must be the focus not the messenger.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2013 05:45AM by Johnnyanglo.

Johnnyanglo Wrote:
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> The lessons learned here are:
>

> 3. If after all the smoke clears you discover an
> opossum was the hole-digging culprit - how
> satirical is that. Emotional rants and
> curse-filled outbursts make one appear childish
> and undisciplined. It doesn't impress most people
> nor does it put the big scare on those outlaw
> marsupials.
>



HH
Johnb

"I vote straight ticket , I believe in Jesus, I love to metal detect that's enough to start alot of argument's ... LOL!!! I am just glad we dont get banned for Our views!!!! I see the world in black and white so my wifesays....not alot of gray area's in my views on thing's...So I stay quite ....rights right and wrongs wrong. "

Keith


amen kieth! I wish I had seen the video!

I have had animals uncover my holes and lost access to a great site because of it!

loosing freedoms and where this country is now has been a slow and most likely calculated process that started around 40 years ago that eventually took a stronghold in our public schools and institutions of supposed higher learning, media, and court systems. speak your mind now and go against the normal liberal/ politically correct mindset and you are considered/labeled a unenlightened, crackpot.... in my opinion!!!

chuck.

I agree with you 100% Chuck. But its been excalating in the last 5years or so. Sad.

ok, I found the video! I could have done without the language for sure. but I have felt like that before.
chuck.

Beach Wrote:
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> That is pretty much how I feel when I see holes
> unfilled. Just a few screwing it up for all. I
> don't think it is an age specific problem though.


it's not age specific! i seen it all over 33 years
of hunting. many,many, times people will literally
tear a place apart,with zero regard for their actions!
can't figure it! some people have difficulty thinking beyond their noses.
they either do NOT understand,OR DON'T care about HOW their actions impact our hobby.

(h.h.!)
j.t.

BeeMan458 Wrote:
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> Yes I'm that serious and yes, the pepper spray is
> that good. There's being scared and there's being
> stupid and there's having the wisdom to know the
> difference.
>
> A violent video threatening violence was posted
> and I posted an opinion in response.
>
> As to being scared and staying indoors, we live in
> bear and cougar territory and yes, there are
> regular sightings and only foolish people go out
> unprepared. Unprepared, would you send your
> children and wife into bear/cougar territory,
> because you didn't want your wife and children to
> think you were scared for their welfare? I'll let
> you explain the wisdom of what you suggest to your
> children's grand-parents. And I'll let anybody
> who wants, explain this video to the local
> district attorney.
>
> Just saying, this is the type of video that will
> give any outdoor hobby a black eye as the
> individual does not project a peaceful, family
> attitude but projects the attitude of a seriously
> messed up person.
>
> You guys can keep this call for violence as when
> we're out prospecting, we're looking for peace and
> if some nut case approaches us, they'll be pepper
> sprayed and if need be, tazed and turned over to
> the authorities for assault. Just because people
> are peaceful doesn't mean they're a patsy. I'll
> step out of the thread as it was the need for an
> opposing opinion that cause me to join the forum
> as I search for information to enhance our
> knowledge base so we can make a proper MD choice
> to serve our purposes.
>
> Based on comments left in this thread, you've told
> me that in general, people are best served staying
> away from people with MD's in their hands and I
> appreciate the heads-up.


this true! SOME people want to f**k you up because you are not paying attention to them!
they sincerely want to beat on you and steal ,both your detector,AND your wallet,and maybe the
gold fillings in your head too!.you must be careful,because there are many,many,mentally unstable
folks out there!..be vigilant!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Johnnyanglo - very, very well said. That guy could have used you as his editor...

Johnnyanglo Wrote:
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> The lessons learned here are:
>
> 1. A video with a detectorist behaving badly only
> feeds the public's latent impression that metal
> detectorists are not only socially weird and
> outcasts but are potentially violent people as
> well. Some would put us in the same class with
> vagrants and bums - dumpster divers looking for
> garbage. Could these odd creatures be violent?
> (apparently they can be if they find unfilled
> holes in the ground).
>
> 2. If after behaving badly - and you've finished
> your angry rant, delete the video and be thankful
> only a squirrel was there to hear it. Posting it
> on YouTube - bad. Linking to it on other websites
> - worse. If you're sorry for doing it you'll be
> even sorrier for broadcasting it everywhere.
>
> 3. If after all the smoke clears you discover an
> opossum was the hole-digging culprit - how
> satirical is that. Emotional rants and
> curse-filled outbursts make one appear childish
> and undisciplined. It doesn't impress most people
> nor does it put the big scare on those outlaw
> marsupials.
>
> 4. The louder someone barks the less likely they
> are going to do anything more than give an
> exhibition. You don't fear the bully who displays
> outrage - you are concerned for the guy with an
> even keel and calm disposition. They're the dogs
> that bite.
>
> 5. Lastly, if you hope to gain sympathy for your
> cause, don't behave like a bigger jerk than the
> unethical jerk who offended you in the first
> place. The intended point will be lost on your
> audience if your antics distract and ultimately
> usurp the message. The message must be the focus
> not the messenger.

I agree completely. Good post!

ozzie Wrote:
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> I guess I'm desensitized to foul language from
> being in the construction trades for most of my
> life. The only time it shocks me is when my adult
> kids occasionally drop the F bomb.
> Some say using that word is a sign of low
> intelligence, don't think so......it's a matter of
> controlling oneself and being civil with your
> speech.
> I've heard many of F bombs dropped from the mouths
> of people with IQ's over 140.

When I moved to North Bay, Ontario Canada, besides being a strange city. Half the people can speak French and English. Most probably have 1 or more tattoos.
The "F" is a very common popular word belched out of mouths of the young to the very old, common folk to highly educated officials and business owners, native and non-native
people.
The word is as common there as "you" and "I"

After a week there the shock wears off...................and I rarely said the word, just to be different......

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

On one level I think the loss in basic manners and gentlemanly (and womanly) behavior can be attributed to societal drift into post-modern philosophical and religious doctrines. These are now universally taught and encouraged in all quarters of society.

The foundation of post-modern thinking is based on the simple assertion that God doesn't exist, or at the most is an abstract concept that cannot be known. So, step two says, since there is no God there are no absolutes - no right and no wrongs, no good and no bad, no heaven and no hell, no judgment and no reward. There is only yourself that is true, and therefore whatever you think within yourself is the measure of truth.

The third logical step (based on a faulty assumption) is that since each person decides right and wrong, then no one is to judge the behavior or actions of another. For that violates the prime directive of post-modern thought - asserting one's beliefs on another person - which is forbidden. What is really meant by this(since post-moderns assert their positions through the courts, special interest groups, and political shenanigans all the time) is that a God-centered point-of-view must be stifled, mocked, and silenced.

Where does all this lead? The affect on society is to enforce the absolute truth that there is no greater authority than man (an assertion that disproves their assumption - but post-moderns must borrow the idea of absolute truth from their enemy to make any argument that there is no absolute truth). Arguing logic with a post-modern disciple will only lead to some emotional retort "you're a hater" or "you can't judge me". Where in days past, two people could argue a point together because they both shared a commonality - they agreed that absolute truth exists and that it can be known.

For example, when post-modern parents wish to alter their children's behavior they cannot assert their will upon the lad - it is not even possible to say the behavior is "bad". Instead they must coerce and beg, "if you pick up your toys I will give you a big reward" or "please behave for me - if you do I'll give you a new toy". There is little even-handed discipline because discipline involves judgment - which is taking a principled stand, which is too similar to an absolute truth (which they abhor), and therefore cannot be done.

Eventually the boy enters his teens and begins to look for a role-model. It cannot be his milquetoast father (if they are so lucky to even have a father), or their government-run school teacher (invariably an unstable female vacillating between impishness and cruelty), or the effeminate god-loves-you-just-as-you-are and oblivious to the truth church leader.

Children need and desire a strong honorable and moral person to anchor them and protect them, to be the pack leader - the traditional role filled by the "father". But with only women role models, the spiritually-empty and morally confused children must hope to find happiness elsewhere - in possessing things and people. Designed to find happiness in their Creator they seek out a substitute. The girl gives away her honor and dignity to the first male that pretends to be that caring somebody. To erase the pain of each failed effort she becomes ensnared and repeatedly used, looking endlessly for that prince charming amongst a den of wolves. Instead of a prince she gets a man just like her - empty and needy, needing support and unable to give anything.

Where is there one honorable man anywhere left to say "no" to a woman's wrong-headed attempt to feel needed and important. No one left to enforce a boundary, no one to protect and cherish her. What she finds are wolves and weaklings. Likewise, the male child fares no better. He finds his role-model in the tyrant gang leader, or the cult leader, or the pusher-man. Someone who appears to care about him. Someone who promises to make his pain go away.

Inevitably, each succeeding generation raises a more animal-like offspring - children living fast and furiously, taking whatever they can without fear, their conscience seared and numbed by trauma. At last, the family unit is gone, replaced with a doting government welfare state. The replacement father figure panders to its creation and enables its lawless, self-centered, and empty-headed children. Giving them stolen money they didn't ear - they learn to love and need their new masters . In exchange they are reminded repeatedly who they should hate - it's those rich people who are stealing from you; it's those big companies that are keeping you down, it's that typical white guy whose ruined your life, and of course - those Christians with their absolutes - they're the trouble makers, hate them all. The post-modern generation is left used, abused, lied to - without hope they are cynical, alone and afraid. All this madness and lies didn't make them happy - but rather made a shipwreck of their lives. How easily they devolved from innocent children with hopes and dreams to hate-filled adults full of greed and bitterness and failure - their only reassurance is that at least one political party loves them.

As with all lies, the post-modern worldview promises freedom and love but delivers hopelessness and despair. There are no answers and no reasons left for anything - so no one cares anymore about anything. The ancient past is a history of chaos and goo, chimps and gorillas. They remember well their school lessons - they are a soulless evolutionary freak with a big brain whose future is the blackness of nothingness. Some go out with a blazing Bushmaster, others numb themselves with alcohol and drugs, most choose to distract themselves from the wrongness of who they are and their ever pursuing conscience with sex and constant loud entertainment. Free-fall is liberating - until you hit the ground.

These little darlings are now to be the future mothers and dead-beat-dads who will raise the next generation of angry, violent, foul-mouthed, uncouth tyrants more evil than themselves. When the day comes that the bankrupt government can no longer give away the free stuff, when society is forced to insist the lost generation take some responsibility for their actions for the sake of society - in retaliation the cities will burn. The end of godless post-modernism is chaos, anarchy, and utter lawlessness. Every man doing whatever seems right in his own eyes; bloodshed everywhere, and no justice left in the land.

Mad Max comes to mind, after reading your post, Johnny.

Sounds like a good time. Geez, why go on then, future is hopeless.

Which explains many of the young people's fatalistic attitude today of there being no point. What's the purpose they ask and only silence stares back at them as in honesty, based on today's social moral code, one can only say, hedonism. I tell the young, the purpose of life is to live your life and die old. That's your purpose in life. I failed at motivational speaking.

My recommendation, go to the mountains and dropout. I stopped reading the newspaper twenty years ago and in the last few weeks have successfully weened myself of the need to watch the daily news. Reasons to stop watching the news; so one can forget how Washington, the state capital and locals seats of power, on various levels, are daily sticking it to us. Now there's this whole internet thingy that let's the daily BS leak into our lives. Our sympathies to those who are left behind.

Like many, I've seen war, hate and death. At our age (my wife and I), all we want to see is peace. Can social dropouts find peace and solace (unity) with a couple of MD's in the mountains? That's the goal and reason for the need for peace. Please, can we all find peace in MD'g? Speaking for myself, I'd would like that.

Group hug {{{hugs}}}

Nambe Pambe commercial [www.youtube.com]

The point of the above, we can't take ourselves too seriously or we'll go even nuttier than we already are.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2013 02:32PM by BeeMan458.

I'm a glass is half full kind of guy. And having two teenagers, knowing there friends, and working construction with young guys, I can assure you the younger generation is not nearly as bad as yall make them out to be. Hell, just went to Warped Tour last week,jumped in the pit with kids half my age, and except for a few extra piercings, there no different from class of 84. Ray