Truth or Fish story you decide........

I thought paying compliments and giving kudos is showing respect. At least in the world I grew up in. How old is this gent anyway??? I really can't tell by his post. How about the real facts about a person whose alleges he's dug 2 plus five gallon buckets of silver. Would this person in "metal detecting land" be considered a passionate detectorists?? I think so.

Think about this:

I have no regrets for started this thread.

My original post in this thread stated plainly up front, I couldn't understand from a numbers aspect based on how much silver coinage the gent said he dug. And his response was. It was a personal attack. He says he will turn 83 next month. I have a problem with that. Here's why: After you read this post go back to my original post in this thread and see how old he says he is.

Silver master [ PM ]
Re: CTX and V3i in ground target comparison
July 29, 2012 04:21AM Registered: 2 years ago
Posts: 74

earthmansurfer Wrote:
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> Silvermaster - I know you have all the machines.
> You didn't really address what I said in my post.
>
> As I said to you on Finds, I'll post it here:
>
> In my somewhat mineralized iron soil, the V3i
> won't go more than 7" (maybe 8" on silver) on
> coins. Starting around 6" its VID is all over the
> place (same for the Deus but it will go deeper). I
> had a T2 (which is basically an F75 with more of
> an iron range) for years and I never got past 6"
> for the same reasons - my soil.
>
> Now, you have 3 posts on the other forum and as of
> now, 7 posts on this forum. You have not listed
> your settings but say you have all the machines.
> I'm not saying what you are experiencing isn't
> real, as different soils will do that, but you
> come here with general statements as well as on
> Toms site, you are not listing settings and say
> the V3i gets great depth.
>
> Well, if you want people to work with you, you got
> to give more information. You got to post better
> things than "If everyone is as dissatisfied with
> the CTX as I am then no wonder they're coming up
> for sale. ... " Something just don't add up here.
> I am a pretty critical guy of machines in general,
> ask anyone on this or other forums. But I call it
> as I see it. Something is a miss with your posts.
>
> Give us the details, the settings, the conditions,
> etc. You have a V3i, give us the ground probe
> readings, I understand all that and can make sense
> of it. And, while you are at it, give us some
> video cross checking the signals since you own all
> the machines in question. :wink:
>
> Albert

Well now I'm not the most computer litterate person in the world and at my age 83 have no desire.
Check out our club - its on Facebook- middle tn detecting club
Good luck Albert ill not respond to your messages
I'm not a representative of a detector company as I feel some posters on here are and I'm not brand loyal
Good luck

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Now I consider anyone who claims they've dug 2 plus 5 gallon pails of silver to be a passionate detectorist.

Go look at the gent's entire forum post history.
Facts:
No stories on any hunts.
No post ever of complementing a person on a find.
No post talking of or helping someone with one of the older machines.
No pics
No talk of overall coin numbers. Seems some here that post knows how many bullets they've dug.
No talk ever of a prize find or two.
No talk of a price relic or piece of jewelry.
Roughly 75 post overall with most just recently.
Has he ever told his real name.
No comments of aching muscles, being tired, detector weight-V3i aint light
Has anyone ever said they have associations with him with detector/equipment sales, hunts, phone calls.
He has never mentioned even one of his hunting buds by name, just refers to them a club members
No mention of how many shovels/digging tools he's wore out
He gave us his skinny on the Racer after supposed 30 hrs use, never once did he mention 3 tone
He has stated in post he has F75, this 2 years ago, he's never posted or asked a question involving many many F75 threads over the last 2 years
He doesn't seem to have a problem coming out of the wood work to defend a White's V3i or to tell folks the many problems a Racer has-a detector I actually like and have stated as such.
Funny thing is, this person who happens to have the same forum name has boondoggled me on FM forum. Coincidence???

Now the gent in question has even stated don't believe everything you read on the internet in one or more of his post on this forum. So I'm taking his advice.

I have posted over 1400 post on this forum. I will admit I've had a few brash exchanges, but have maintained respect towards individuals. I think I have learned a great deal from participating on this forum and I feel like I have helped some along the way. You see me commend folks on their finds. If I see someone who is in need of equipment I have that I don't use I opt to provide to folks-no profit-actual loss. But I figure what comes around goes around. If I make a claim and someone has questions I will give more information to shed more light. Not recoil.

I have the utmost respect for senior citizens. You've seen me talk some about this in some of my post with Racer. There is however one thing definitely worse than disrespecting a senior citizen and that is for a person to pretend to be one.

I value a person's information they provide on this forum. I look at content, style, consistency when placing my priorities in getting real/true information. I would be lying if I said I put equal stock in everyone's post/threads. I'm sure my post don't make somes Top Ten list either. All good.

So if a person came on this forum with few post and said they figured out a way to dig 16" silver dimes with Etrac and stock coil. Should we ask how, or how many dimes dug? I mean inquiring minds would it seem would want to know.

Ask no questions or challenge folks.. Would IMO make for a senseless, unproducitve metal detecting forum.

I have asked who else has dug a significant amount of silver in the detecting career, so far noone even close it seems to the claim at hand.

Now some have tried to connect CW bullet finds numbers to coin find numbers. I'm not sure this is productive. Here's why. I figure first off, folks valued their money far more than the troopers valued their bullets. Troops were forced to move at night through unfamiliar territory and sleep in the open. Hence lost goods. And with all that's been said here silver coinage should have a faster sink rate vs CW bullets. And silver coinage wasn't shot out of guns/weapons.

Folks these are the facts.

Now the gent says he belongs to a metal detecting club. So should his name check out with the club if he reveals his true name?? I mean surely if he's broadcasts his monster pails of silver to us here on this forum then surely all his club buds know about it. The person is trying to play this forum like a fiddle.

Speaking of which, Silvermaster do any of your club buds post here??? Surely at least one does. I mean this forum for any serious detectorist is hard to pass up. Lots of good info usually.

This mystery crap, yes that is what it is. I would expect more than me to be wanting more information about a person with so few post who makes such an extraordinary claim. And with I think a very suspicious track record when it comes to the content and timing, and subjects of their post.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/26/2015 12:36PM by tnsharpshooter.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> I thought paying compliments and giving kudos is
> showing respect. At least in the world I grew up
> in. How old is this gent anyway??? I really
> can't tell by his post. How about the real facts
> about a person whose alleges he's dug 2 plus five
> gallon buckets of silver. Would this person in
> "metal detecting land" be considered a passionate
> detectorists?? I think so.
>
> Think about this:
>
> I have no regrets for started this thread.
>
> My original post in this thread stated plainly up
> front, I couldn't understand from a numbers aspect
> based on how much silver coinage the gent said he
> dug. And his response was. It was a personal
> attack. He says he will turn 83 next month. I
> have a problem with that. Here's why: After you
> read this post go back to my original post in this
> thread and see how old he says he is.
>
> Silver master [ PM ]
> Re: CTX and V3i in ground target comparison
> July 29, 2012 04:21AM Registered: 2 years ago
> Posts: 74
>
> earthmansurfer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Silvermaster - I know you have all the machines.
>
> > You didn't really address what I said in my
> post.
> >
> > As I said to you on Finds, I'll post it here:
> >
> > In my somewhat mineralized iron soil, the V3i
> > won't go more than 7" (maybe 8" on silver) on
> > coins. Starting around 6" its VID is all over
> the
> > place (same for the Deus but it will go deeper).
> I
> > had a T2 (which is basically an F75 with more of
>
> > an iron range) for years and I never got past 6"
>
> > for the same reasons - my soil.
> >
> > Now, you have 3 posts on the other forum and as
> of
> > now, 7 posts on this forum. You have not listed
>
> > your settings but say you have all the machines.
>
> > I'm not saying what you are experiencing isn't
> > real, as different soils will do that, but you
> > come here with general statements as well as on
>
> > Toms site, you are not listing settings and say
>
> > the V3i gets great depth.
> >
> > Well, if you want people to work with you, you
> got
> > to give more information. You got to post better
>
> > things than "If everyone is as dissatisfied with
>
> > the CTX as I am then no wonder they're coming up
>
> > for sale. ... " Something just don't add up
> here.
> > I am a pretty critical guy of machines in
> general,
> > ask anyone on this or other forums. But I call
> it
> > as I see it. Something is a miss with your
> posts.
> >
> > Give us the details, the settings, the
> conditions,
> > etc. You have a V3i, give us the ground probe
> > readings, I understand all that and can make
> sense
> > of it. And, while you are at it, give us some
> > video cross checking the signals since you own
> all
> > the machines in question. :wink:
> >
> > Albert
>
> Well now I'm not the most computer litterate
> person in the world and at my age 83 have no
> desire.
> Check out our club - its on Facebook- middle tn
> detecting club
> Good luck Albert ill not respond to your messages
>
> I'm not a representative of a detector company as
> I feel some posters on here are and I'm not brand
> loyal
> Good luck
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------
>
> Now I consider anyone who claims they've dug 2
> plus 5 gallon pails of silver to be a passionate
> detectorist.
>
> Go look at the gent's entire forum post history.
> Facts:
> No stories on any hunts.
> No post ever of complementing a person on a find.
> No post talking of or helping someone with one of
> the older machines.
> No pics
> No talk of overall coin numbers. Seems some here
> that post knows how many bullets they've dug.
> No talk ever of a prize find or two.
> No talk of a price relic or piece of jewelry.
> Roughly 75 post overall with most just recently.
> Has he ever told his real name.
> No comments of aching muscles, being tired,
> detector weight-V3i aint light
> Has anyone ever said they have associations with
> him with detector/equipment sales, hunts, phone
> calls.
> He has never mentioned even one of his hunting
> buds by name, just refers to them a club members
> No mention of how many shovels/digging tools he's
> wore out
> He gave us his skinny on the Racer after supposed
> 30 hrs use, never once did he mention 3 tone
> He has stated in post he has F75, this 2 years
> ago, he's never posted or asked a question
> involving many many F75 threads over the last 2
> years
> He doesn't seem to have a problem coming out of
> the wood work to defend a White's V3i or to tell
> folks the many problems a Racer has-a detector I
> actually like and have stated as such.
> Funny thing is, this person who happens to have
> the same forum name has boondoggled me on FM
> forum. Coincidence???
>
> Now the gent in question has even stated don't
> believe everything you read on the internet in one
> or more of his post on this forum. So I'm taking
> his advice.
>
> I have posted over 1400 post on this forum. I
> will admit I've had a few brash exchanges, but
> have maintained respect towards individuals. I
> think I have learned a great deal from
> participating on this forum and I feel like I have
> helped some along the way. You see me commend
> folks on their finds. If I see someone who is in
> need of equipment I have that I don't use I opt to
> provide to folks-no profit-actual loss. But I
> figure what comes around goes around. If I make
> a claim and someone has questions I will give more
> information to shed more light. Not recoil.
>
> I have the utmost respect for senior citizens.
> You've seen me talk some about this in some of my
> post with Racer. There is however one thing
> definitely worse than disrespecting a senior
> citizen and that is for a person to pretend to be
> one.
>
> I value a person's information they provide on
> this forum. I look at content, style, consistency
> when placing my priorities in getting real/true
> information. I would be lying if I said I put
> equal stock in everyone's post/threads. I'm sure
> my post don't make somes Top Ten list either. All
> good.
>
> So if a person came on this forum with few post
> and said they figured out a way to dig 16" silver
> dimes with Etrac and stock coil. Should we ask
> how, or how many dimes dug? I mean inquiring
> minds would it seem would want to know.
>
> Ask no questions or challenge folks.. Would IMO
> make for a senseless, unproducitve metal detecting
> forum.
>
> I have asked who else has dug a significant amount
> of silver in the detecting career, so far noone
> even close it seems to the claim at hand.
>
> Now some have tried to connect CW bullet finds
> numbers to coin find numbers. I'm not sure this
> is productive. Here's why. I figure first off,
> folks valued their money far more than the
> troopers valued their bullets. Troops were forced
> to move at night through unfamiliar territory and
> sleep in the open. Hence lost goods. And with
> all that's been said here silver coinage should
> have a faster sink rate vs CW bullets. And silver
> coinage wasn't shot out of guns/weapons.
>
> Folks these are the facts.
>
> Now the gent says he belongs to a metal detecting
> club. So should his name check out with the club
> if he reveals his true name?? I mean surely if
> he's broadcasts his monster pails of silver to us
> here on this forum then surely all his club buds
> know about it. The person is trying to play this
> forum like a fiddle.
>
> Speaking of which, Silvermaster do any of your
> club buds post here??? Surely at least one does.
> I mean this forum for any serious detectorist is
> hard to pass up. Lots of good info usually.
>
> This mystery crap, yes that is what it is. I
> would expect more than me to be wanting more
> information about a person with so few post who
> makes such an extraordinary claim. And with I
> think a very suspicious track record when it comes
> to the content and timing, and subjects of their
> post.


What is up with you?Mental?
While you were researching my previous posts did you not notice where I stated I was mainly a lurker until provided with voice text by my daughter/granddaughter?
I'm on vacation and will seek the info on procedure to post pics on this site.
I'm not providing my name for security reasons especially with mention of valuables at my home- I ain't helping out thieves!
If you really are gonna attend one of our club meetings - I wouldn't be hard to pick out of a crowd.
Please refer to my original post concerning you / your views / your ideas of normal behavior.
I will not cater to your adolescent behavior
Good day sir!

Hang in there Silver Master, you may want to check DSM IV to understand WHY you are being harassed.

2 5 gallon buckets is hard to believe unless one was beach sand hunting long time ago.

Long time ago, maybe the early 1980s, White's newsletter contained an article about 2 divers recovering in Virginia Beach, buckets full of goodies from the water....impressive picture that was.

doc holiday Wrote:
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> Hang in there Silver Master, you may want to check
> DSM IV to understand WHY you are being harassed.

301.81...301.6 and 301.9 ought to cover it...lol

BINGO.

Have a first name Silvermaster??? Surely this would not be a breach of privacy/security. Something is odd. I take it you've never accepted an award at your supposed detecting club???
Cause it seems your club when honoring/recognizing achievers takes pics and assigns names-both first and last names on their site for all to see on internet.
Here's the link:
[www.mtmdc.com]

What is this the Spanish Inquisition, please leave the poster alone, this is a hobby...you know a hobby to relax, if wanted drama could go to the views forum.

I think we should keep in mind that a person does not have to believe or disbelieve anything. I've seen some stuff that doesn't add up after taking a closer look into this. While it may have been handled differently I think there is enough to question the claim (s). Not unusual to be seen as the bad guy when questioning something that doesn't seem to add up and I do have experience is those situations. Not saying this is the situation here but there will be people coming on forums to take advantage of the situation. When they know the mod will cater to them and throw the longer term member under the bus it make it easier for them to disrupt the forum.

I was on a legal issues thread and a person decided that they were going to make their first post ever on that thread in the "heat of the battle" I'll try not to bring anymore of it here than necessary to make my point. The person was claiming to be an attorney and also claiming all curb strips in all cities in Texas were owned by the property owner and that he could use whatever reasonable force necessary to remove someone from one. He was also using all capital letters (no biggie) in some statements in the post to get his point across. Here is my response--Wow. All cities in Texas? Certainly not the case in my city. They are considered city property and I can legally hunt them and I do. I don't think in Missouri attorneys can publicly give legal advise but I'm not sure on that. I do know I can legally hunt my curb strips without asking. I don't know to whom your comments were direct at but as a newbie you should know that the use of all capital letters when talking to someone on this forum is against the rules. Just letting you know in case you want to edit. I have no problem with it personally.--Kemper

Of course I got my ass jumped by the mod and told I was not a mod and was out of line and that the newbie was not breaking rules as he could use caps to highlight a word. Of course he wasn't using them to highlight a word but rather statements and I was not trying to be a mod and I was not out of line. I posted the guideline/rule to show that it was indeed against the rules. I then got jumped and told by the mod how long he was a member and how long he was a mod and got the usual " (take it to PM) so he did not have to admit he was wrong even though the written rule was right there to see as well as his lack of care or understanding.

Of course the new member never made another post and I figure he accomplished his task of disrupting the forum and taking advantage of the mods and planting some "Drama " around the situation. So I know ,to a certain extent, how the person that tries to call out what appears as,(and with good reason) BS will be the one getting the brunt of the flack. The thread I mentioned above had another poster chime in questioning the newbie on his stance. The mod then immediately locked the thread.

A person can get an IP address and register and disrupt the forum if they are allowed to do it. A person can join and do it. It is up to everyone to keep an eye out and an open mind. There is nothing wrong with a member checking on something behind someones back if they immediately say what it is they are doing and if they are doing it for the betterment of the forum. Heck,I don't even care if they are doing it to settle a score or get their evens. Let's not "attack" the messenger unless they deserve it.

It's ,more then likely some posters have more then one ip id so it is very conceiveable and a likely fact they may be boltstering their view points with anothe id ?
With the free hide your ip downloads banning is almost a non issue, sooner or later we get a feel of honest posters.

Okay, here we go. So, while detecting the BSA camp WE dug a total of 40+ silvers and 60 wheats in four days(about 24 hours total hunting time). Lets say you get 50 silvers a week X 52 weeks(weather permitting(IDK what the weather is like down there))=2600 silvers a year x 30 years=78,000 silvers. Being that it was 1985, perhaps there were a lot of spots that had silver or there weren't many detectorists in his area.

So is it possible? Yes. Did he really do it? I don't care, that's not my concern. If he is telling the truth, good job. If he is lying, so what. We are all able minded adults capable of making our own decisions. I understand there is a certain satisfaction of "rooting out" liars so others aren't deceived OR, for your own personal enjoyment and that is the way some people are.

eh...I was going to post more stuff, but time for work

Bey

guvmore Wrote:
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> It's ,more then likely some posters have more then
> one ip id so it is very conceiveable and a likely
> fact they may be boltstering their view points
> with anothe id ?
> With the free hide your ip downloads banning is
> almost a non issue, sooner or later we get a feel
> of honest posters.


True,they can try. I wouldn't do it as I don't feel I would want to be anywhere if I couldn't be myself. To a certain extent of course as there has to be rules. There are ways that a forum can tell if someone is not who they say they are. I won't go into that and I encourage others not to as that may help the perps. I did go into 2 forums for a brief appearance under "MisterK " One to wish Holiday greetings to members I know and one to post a pic when someone was claiming that it couldn't be done on that forum and was bashing them. I used my same IP address both times and see nothing wrong with them letting you slide,depending on the circumstance, especially if you are not there to do harm. That does not mean someone should make a habit of it or make extra work for them.

I know Kemper will disagree with my suggestion to Tom and Willie, the "authority" here, but I think this thread should be closed as it is taking away from good will that has existed on this site!
I am all for open discussion, but when it degenerates to the name calling, nobody benefits!

Good suggestion Ron, let's put this behind us and TNSS please sit this aside as well.

This is between you and SS, solve your differences through email or PM, even by phone would be better.

Paul

Old California Wrote:
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> ...Good suggestion Ron, let's put this behind us...

> Paul

Agree 100%. I've only spot-read this thread to see what all the posting was about. Lets give this a rest and get back to the hard core stuff.

SeabeeRon Wrote:
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> I know Kemper will disagree with my suggestion to
> Tom and Willie, the "authority" here, but I think
> this thread should be closed as it is taking away
> from good will that has existed on this site!
> I am all for open discussion, but when it
> degenerates to the name calling, nobody benefits!


Yes,you are right. I don't agree that members should be suggesting or giving advice to authority unless it is asked for. You know me well enough to draw that conclusion and you know me well enough to know that It would be very unlikely for me to be a name caller. If you are referring to any name calling in this thread I would suggest you post your comment where that is most evident or quote what you are referring to.
Using my name to highlight what you feel is degenerating does not seem fair to me especially when I've brought actual facts and references on topic to this thread. If I were to use two of your past remarks,that are still present, referring to people as " usual suspects" in an "attack mode" I could use that to show what you may have just done to me. But.I kinda like you,although you don't always perform well on forum, so I'll let your undeleted record speak for itself.

I will end this controversy as I've stated at least twice in I think maybe 4 replies I've made to this thread.
Already talked to daughter and will have help in posting some pics
I'm 500 miles away as everyone should know by my quest for gold post
I'm not going to disclose personal info on a public site period
Now before "someone " starts raving how convenient it is for me to not provide instantaneous pics I suggest you look back at posting history
I was already on vacation when controversial thread started!
Like the old saying
A pic is worth a thousand words!
But what is one self esteem worth if he refuses to be wrong?
Good day
Everyone please stop responding to this I will take care of controversy!

This thread reminds me of a clock my grandma had....a little bird use to come out and say stuff.

Could you imagine hunting a untouched picknic grove with a whites 6000D when it came out? Think of all of the untouched spots that were there in the 70's. Think of the clad we can find now if so chose to. Not a impossible thing for as long as he's been at it for sure. Just my two cents worth.

ozzie Wrote:
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> This thread reminds me of a clock my grandma
> had....a little bird use to come out and say
> stuff.


I believe you.

Whether you're right or wrong, David, this obsessive behavior reflects badly on you.

If you are wrong, you've denigrated and slandered a very successful member of this forum.

If you are right, then it looks like you are bullying a sad and pathetic person who has such low self-esteem that he has to exaggerate his finds.

marcomo Wrote:
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> Whether you're right or wrong, David, this
> obsessive behavior reflects badly on you.
>
> If you are wrong, you've denigrated and slandered
> a very successful member of this forum.
>
> If you are right, then it looks like you are
> bullying a sad and pathetic person who has such
> low self-esteem that he has to exaggerate his
> finds.

I don't think it is quite that simple. If it were me, unless it would be very convenient to show otherwise, I would say that I don't give a rat's behind if anyone believes me or not. I don't think any amount of "proof" is going to please everyone but I understand the position he is in. I think that when something that seems unusual or unbelievable presents itself the benefit of a challenge far outweighs the controversy. Regardless of how that challenge is presented,as I have shown, there is no guarantee, or even expectation. that controversy will be avoided. The only way to avoid controversy would be to not challenge anything and that would not be good.

To put it in another way-There is a reason we are here and not on Facebook liking every butterfly plaque that shows up on our screens.