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Deus/Racer out of ground test (very, very interesting)
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Deus/Racer out of ground test (very, very interesting) June 04, 2015 11:28PM |
I made a find yesterday, the story can be read about here. I compared both Racer with stock coil and Deus with 9" coil.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]
Well today I performed some additional test on the find from yesterday. I must say one very interesting thing was noted.
With the dug target in its original configuration, I tested with both Deus 9" coil using Deus fast factory program and Makro Racer in 3 tone gain 85 with both small OOR coil and stock sized coil. Coil height above target 3- 6 inches
This test was performed in a sanitary environment on a set of concrete steps. Both detectors G/B to the concrete. No iron noted.
First up was Deus. Target read when sweeping long ways and crossways with a nice high concise tone screen reading 87, with a VDI variance of no more than 1 point between sweeps, using multiple sweeps, at least 15. Deus tone IMO dig me, dig me. I even tried Reactivity setting 4 silencer 1, no changes noted.
Next up Racer with stock coil, sweeping long ways, I obtained that hollow sounding/longer tone. To me-- No dig me signal. Screen numbers would read as high as 83 but would tail off as the coil approached the edge of target. As much as 30 points.
Racer with small OOR coil, similar results as the stock coil.
Swinging crossways the Racer with stock coil and small coil would yield a nice concise 83 with nice concise tone, Dig me, Dig me.
Next I ground the brad off, to removed the washer, then swept each individual component. For discussion purposes I will refer to the washer as a washer and the other part as the shank. I suspect the washer is made of zinc.
Shank readings
Deus 85 nice sweet concise tone, dig me
Racer with both stock/small coils 83, nice concise tone dig me
Washer
Deus 81 on every sweep, nice concise high clean tone, dig me
Racer with both stock/small coils, 79 on every sweep, blah longer tone, more hollow sounding, definitely not dig me imo.
So next I tried to reassemble the found target (less the small part ground off), I was able to duplicate what I saw yesterday with the target in ground. As I continued to test I was not able to duplicate. So I started thinking, could the 2 different parts be grounded out (touching)? Figuring with all the removing and reinstalling the washer over the shank I actually wore the corrosion that was built up off. So I took some electrical tape and put over the shank to insulate. Sure enough now I was able to get the same results with Racer I had gotten earlier today as well as yesterday before I dug it.
So with the 2 different parts (shank and washer isolated from one another electrically I installed the washer over the shank.
In this new slightly altered configuration (shank ground off slightly), I then continued my test.
Deus with target swept either long ways or cross ways gave a good nice concise high tone dig me signal VDI 87. Most VDI spread noted 1 point. I did try reactivity level 4 as well - no change.
Racer with both coils swept cross ways gave a nice concise tone, VDI 83 dig me
Racer with stock coil when swept long ways. A hollow tone, longer with VDI spread on average 7 points, but with real slow sweep as many as 16 points. Highest number noted was 84 in screen.
Racer with small coil when swept long ways again hollow longer sound, not as concise as when swept cross ways, Screen readings would read 83 but as coil passed the edge of target VDI would drop to as low as high 40s at times, mostly around 54, definitely at least 20 points on sweeps.
Now go back and look at what the shank and washer individually read screen wise. Remember the washer was installed over the copper shank. So the Racer when swept was seeing the copper shank and then the washer or vise versa. Why the drop on the meter??? I mean both the washer and shank individually read much more than say 54, don't they?? It seems to me the Racer senses alloy/metal changes and in doing so the screen number fluctuations indicate this. And the tone seems to reflect this as well. I did check the washer by itself even holding it on edge and air testing and was able to continually get at least 79 on the screen on Racer at similar distances used in tests.. I can say with both CoRe and Racer using small coils, I've never dug a coin that did what the target described above does when swept crossways--meaning those large fast screen ## drops. Could the Racer be trying to reset TID wise and this be the cause of the sudden spike down on the screen #s????
I don't know even if the Deus was able to see the washer when installed on the shank or even the washer on the originally dug target. I can't say one way or the other.
I can say the Racer with both stock and small coils appears to see this target both in original form and slightly altered form different than the Deus does when swept longways.
Here are the pics of the original, and the disassembled.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/04/2015 11:43PM by tnsharpshooter.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]
Well today I performed some additional test on the find from yesterday. I must say one very interesting thing was noted.
With the dug target in its original configuration, I tested with both Deus 9" coil using Deus fast factory program and Makro Racer in 3 tone gain 85 with both small OOR coil and stock sized coil. Coil height above target 3- 6 inches
This test was performed in a sanitary environment on a set of concrete steps. Both detectors G/B to the concrete. No iron noted.
First up was Deus. Target read when sweeping long ways and crossways with a nice high concise tone screen reading 87, with a VDI variance of no more than 1 point between sweeps, using multiple sweeps, at least 15. Deus tone IMO dig me, dig me. I even tried Reactivity setting 4 silencer 1, no changes noted.
Next up Racer with stock coil, sweeping long ways, I obtained that hollow sounding/longer tone. To me-- No dig me signal. Screen numbers would read as high as 83 but would tail off as the coil approached the edge of target. As much as 30 points.
Racer with small OOR coil, similar results as the stock coil.
Swinging crossways the Racer with stock coil and small coil would yield a nice concise 83 with nice concise tone, Dig me, Dig me.
Next I ground the brad off, to removed the washer, then swept each individual component. For discussion purposes I will refer to the washer as a washer and the other part as the shank. I suspect the washer is made of zinc.
Shank readings
Deus 85 nice sweet concise tone, dig me
Racer with both stock/small coils 83, nice concise tone dig me
Washer
Deus 81 on every sweep, nice concise high clean tone, dig me
Racer with both stock/small coils, 79 on every sweep, blah longer tone, more hollow sounding, definitely not dig me imo.
So next I tried to reassemble the found target (less the small part ground off), I was able to duplicate what I saw yesterday with the target in ground. As I continued to test I was not able to duplicate. So I started thinking, could the 2 different parts be grounded out (touching)? Figuring with all the removing and reinstalling the washer over the shank I actually wore the corrosion that was built up off. So I took some electrical tape and put over the shank to insulate. Sure enough now I was able to get the same results with Racer I had gotten earlier today as well as yesterday before I dug it.
So with the 2 different parts (shank and washer isolated from one another electrically I installed the washer over the shank.
In this new slightly altered configuration (shank ground off slightly), I then continued my test.
Deus with target swept either long ways or cross ways gave a good nice concise high tone dig me signal VDI 87. Most VDI spread noted 1 point. I did try reactivity level 4 as well - no change.
Racer with both coils swept cross ways gave a nice concise tone, VDI 83 dig me
Racer with stock coil when swept long ways. A hollow tone, longer with VDI spread on average 7 points, but with real slow sweep as many as 16 points. Highest number noted was 84 in screen.
Racer with small coil when swept long ways again hollow longer sound, not as concise as when swept cross ways, Screen readings would read 83 but as coil passed the edge of target VDI would drop to as low as high 40s at times, mostly around 54, definitely at least 20 points on sweeps.
Now go back and look at what the shank and washer individually read screen wise. Remember the washer was installed over the copper shank. So the Racer when swept was seeing the copper shank and then the washer or vise versa. Why the drop on the meter??? I mean both the washer and shank individually read much more than say 54, don't they?? It seems to me the Racer senses alloy/metal changes and in doing so the screen number fluctuations indicate this. And the tone seems to reflect this as well. I did check the washer by itself even holding it on edge and air testing and was able to continually get at least 79 on the screen on Racer at similar distances used in tests.. I can say with both CoRe and Racer using small coils, I've never dug a coin that did what the target described above does when swept crossways--meaning those large fast screen ## drops. Could the Racer be trying to reset TID wise and this be the cause of the sudden spike down on the screen #s????
I don't know even if the Deus was able to see the washer when installed on the shank or even the washer on the originally dug target. I can't say one way or the other.
I can say the Racer with both stock and small coils appears to see this target both in original form and slightly altered form different than the Deus does when swept longways.
Here are the pics of the original, and the disassembled.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/04/2015 11:43PM by tnsharpshooter.