What if Columbus was last??

You just never know...

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Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

While Columbus certainly wasn't the first non-indigenous traveler to North America (let's be honest, he was plain lost when he "discovered" the New World), I'd bet my F75 that this sword story is a hoax:

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-Brian

Never have been able to figure you can 'discover' someplace when there are already many thousands of people already living there and have been doing so for for many generations.

Brian - how did you find that ebay,Italy link - brilliant.

Roman swords were iron/steel, not bronze. The poece in question is obviously a decoration

Well spotted!

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

I've wondered just how back then did they know for sure Christpher was first to discover the Americas.

I mean communications were poor from a worldly standpoint.

And I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here.

But could politics or money have played a part in making Columbus the "supposed first" ?!!

I mean consider what happened to the Titanic..and probably the real reason why it hit the iceberg...

All I know is that it is the "in thing" today to poop on Columbus.

Here, the city council decided to re-name Columbus Day as 'Indigeous Peoples" day. And if you speak out against it you get slammed for some sort of bigot.

I think it is all part of the plan to remove American pride, rewrite history into something more 'polite' or less offensive to someone that might be offended by something American.

I guess I'm a bigot.
Mike

Ive questioned the Text books for years..from ancient history to Modern times everything the Children are taught its glossed over and given the portrait of being nice and neat ...

True history is so much more...

Now days Thanskgiving is portrayed in school as no more than Halloween...pure fictional..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Good day Gents! Concerning American history, my wife is Navajo, her sister an anthropologist, she has traced the Navajo tribe back to Mongolia, says in the day they came across the "land bridge" (Alaska). I tend to think they used "boats". The Navajo and Mongolian language is very similar! Also the Apache. If Columbus really discovered America, then I am truly a "monkeys uncle", as Darwin would have you believe!!!!

Los Alamos (Where the "Big Bang" originally started) Lol


"American by birth, Patriot by choice"

The wealthy, prominent and the victors write the history books...

ozzie Wrote:
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> The wealthy, prominent and the victors write the
> history books...

You can't fix stupid. LINK

These very people will be writing our history and changing our laws.

tabman

He discovered it for the Europeans. They were unaware of the existence of the new world. At least that's my take on it. This is another reason that home schooling is so popular. I was brought up with certain values and believes. Everyone of them has come to the point it makes me a bigot, homophobe and racist. I'm none of those but now can't even speak my opinion for fear of repercussions in the corporate business world.
That has really happen in the last term of our king Obama. The next 12 months will bring even bigger changes that executive action will allow.

Columbus once told me that he had a thing for Roman swords---carried them everywhere.

Champ Ferguson Wrote:
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> Never have been able to figure you can 'discover'
> someplace when there are already many thousands of
> people already living there and have been doing so
> for for many generations.

Bingo
He was just a beginning to the end of a great people.

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I echo Mike Hillis and ShovelNose. It's truly amazing to me how, especially since current president came in office and started apologizing for practically everything in American history that so many have started to do the same thing. Over the course of history since the beginning, there are the conquerors and the conquered, essentially the winner and the losers in that never ending human struggle to want to control others. The borders and the controlling group in any area has been in flux and gone back and forth many a time over the eons. I don't like it any more than anyone else when it comes to war and enslaving or killing others. I truly have always appreciated the indigenous peoples ways and how they survived through generations without our current technology....and the way they never used more than they needed and did very little to negatively impact the environment. My own wife is a descendant of very well known American Indian figure. Even with that knowledge she does not hold a grudge or have any negative feelings about anything since all of this happened so long ago. But the fact is, life will go on, as it always has and there must be winners and losers...Columbus did what he was sent to do and there should be no apology for it. Of course he was not the first to "discover" our continent but he was the first european explorer to document it to the world. Times were so different back then we can't even fathom what it was like living at that time in all aspects. If you read enough history, even American Indians wiped out other weaker Anerican Indian tribes...essentially no different in many ways than what happened when europeans arrived. It's similar to what Genghis Khan, the Romans, and the Turks for example did in Asia and Europe...it's life and human nature as we know it. The europeans developed better technology and eventually conquered others. It's not pleasant to think about all of it but it is what it is...I wish people would just be civil, move on and live life...accept and let history be history...peace



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Well said Christopher.

People always back the Indians and shame the Europeans. From what I have read about American Indian ways of life, you'll understand why Europeans called them savages. They did some horrendous things to other tribes. To the Indians, these things were a normal way of life.

Like you said Christopher, same conquering, different day.....life goes on.

The below has always intrigued me. Sometimes I think we underestimate our ancestors. While the Polynesians were known for their sailing, that's a LONG way in those little boats. In addition I've always been fascinated by the Mayan and Aztec cultures, and what could be under all that jungle growth even today. Going to Machu Picchu is a lifetime goal.










When it comes to spreading food around the world, Christopher Columbus and his European compatriots get most of the credit.

Yes, they introduced some quintessential ingredients into European and Asian cuisine. Who could imagine Italian food without the tomato? Or Indian and Chinese dishes without the spicy kick of chili peppers?

But anthropologists think that a few foods made the 5,000-mile trek across the Pacific Ocean long before Columbus landed in the New World. And their proof is in the potato — the sweet potato.

By analyzing the DNA of 1,245 sweet potato varieties from Asia and the Americas, researchers have found a genetic smoking gun that proves the root vegetable made it all the way to Polynesia from the Andes — nearly 400 years before Inca gold was a twinkle in Ferdinand and Isabella's eyes.

The findings, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offer more evidence that ancient Polynesians may have interacted with people in South America long before the Europeans set foot on the continent.

The sweet potato made three independent trips to Southeast Asia. The Polynesians probably introduced it in 1100 A.D. (red). While the Spanish (blue) and Portuguese (yellow) brought other varieties from the Americas around 1500.
The sweet potato made three independent trips to Southeast Asia. The Polynesians probably introduced it in 1100 A.D. (red). While the Spanish (blue) and Portuguese (yellow) brought other varieties from the Americas around 1500.
Courtesy of Caroline Roullier/PNAS
"There's been many kinds of evidence – linguistic and archaeological – for contact between these two people," Caroline Rouiller, an evolutionary biologist at the Center for Functional and Evolutionary Ecology in France who led the study, tells The Salt. "But the sweet potato is the most compelling."

Sweet potatoes originated in Central and South America. But archaeologists have found prehistoric remnants of sweet potato in Polynesia from about A.D. 1000 to A.D. 1100, according to radiocarbon dating. They've hypothesized that those ancient samples came from the western coast of South America. Among the clues: One Polynesian word for sweet potato — "kuumala" — resembles "kumara," or "cumal," the words for the vegetable in Quechua, a language spoken by Andean natives.

But until now, there was little genetic proof for this theory of how the tater traveled.

Part of the reason why is that modern sweet potatoes are a genetic muddle — a hybrid of different cultivars that Europeans helped spread around the globe — so it's hard to decipher their origins from their DNA.

Rouiller got around this problem by turning to dried sweet potato remains kept in a London museum. Capt. James Cook's crew picked up the vegetables in Polynesia back in 1769, before all this interbreeding took off. Examining the genetic blueprint of Cook's sweet potatoes allowed Rouiller and her colleagues to trace the root's evolution all the way back to Ecuador and Peru.

So how did the sweet potato make the ocean voyage?

Its seeds could have possibly hitched a ride on seaweed or gotten lodged in the wing of a bird. But Pat Kirch, an archeologist at the University of Berkeley, California, thinks the Polynesians were well-equipped to sail right across the Pacific to South America and pick up a potato.

"There's a lot of evidence accumulating over the last 10 years that the Polynesians made landfall in South America," he says. "We think they had sophisticated, double-hulled canoes — like very large catamarans — which could carry 80 or more people and be out to sea for months."

The Polynesians had sophisticated, double-hulled canoes that were built for deep sea voyages. An artist aboard Capt. Cook's ship drew a picture when they arrived in Hawaii.
The Polynesians had sophisticated, double-hulled canoes that were built for deep sea voyages. An artist aboard Capt. Cook's ship drew a picture when they arrived in Hawaii.
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But Polynesians didn't just grab the potatoes and head home. There are clues that they may have introduced chickens to the continent while they were at it.

"In recent years, there is this baffling evidence that there were chickens in western Peru before Columbus," Charles C. Mann, the author of the book 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, tells The Salt.

But the claims have been disputed, he says, because the chicken bones date back to sometime between 1300 and 1400. "This is like three minutes before Columbus arrives," Mann jokes. "It's kind of weird that it's right before the Europeans got there."

Nevertheless, Mann thinks the sweet potato research offers exciting evidence of contact between Polynesians and people in South America.

"It would be a mind-boggling voyage," he says. "Suppose you started some place in Easter Island. It's incredible to think that you could go all the way to South America. This is scurvy time. It's a long journey and incredibly dangerous. You'd have to be completely insane — which people are."

Insane? Maybe. Then again, you never know the lengths a person will go to for some sweet potato fries.

Below is a link to perhaps some more "twisted history".

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Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

ozzie Wrote:
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> Well said Christopher.
>
> People always back the Indians and shame the
> Europeans. From what I have read about American
> Indian ways of life, you'll understand why
> Europeans called them savages. They did some
> horrendous things to other tribes. To the Indians,
> these things were a normal way of life.
>
> Like you said Christopher, same conquering,
> different day.....life goes on.
What have you been smoking.
If it weren't for native Americans the first settlers would have died.
And natives where killed savagely for their land and resources. The buffalo was killed off to starve Natives to death.
You don't have a clue. Now black boys are pathetic with their whining and give us attitude.
Native tribes fighting savagely,so everyone else fights with kindness and politeness...><

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.

supertraq,
None of your biz what I been smokin.
Delve into some "not so standard" history books on the subject before you start flapping your reverent jaws.

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Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

ozzie Wrote:
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> supertraq,
> None of your biz what I been smokin.
> Delve into some "not so standard" history books on
> the subject before you start flapping your
> reverent jaws.

I know my history boy.
Ozzie,I guess your from down under.
Europeans fought horrific " savage" wars amongst themselves.
But native Americans are nasty savages?
I wish we could discuss this face to face.

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.

Well,
I'm finding this thread ( subject) more and more educational for me.

Get to peek also into some of the folk's here--- thought processes

I don't think anyone's pooping on Columbus, but it's clear that he wasn't the first non-indigenous explorer here, actually there were many (IIRC wasn't Columbus looking for Japan when he landed in North America?).

I've read a LOT of early California history, and the white man involvement with the Indians (native Americans for the PC) is a complicated matter, it's not as black and white as the white man was bad, and the Indians were saints.

Supertraq, Rough having a conversation with you,... you twist things around and mold them into something you want to argue about. Not falling for that dude, read my post again....but take the chip off your shoulder first.....you are blinded by it.

nt



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If I were perfect I would not have needed Yeshuas sacrifice, I'm not perfect Mike.

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Living on a big ass Astroid.
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nt



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Mike, no need to delete your posts....yes, we all need a stiff boot to keep us in line,.... thanks for that and Merry Christmas.

By the way Erik the Red's son Leif landed in Canada around 1000 a.d.

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
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