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I trust that was taken care of because my FORS CoRe, Gold + and Relic and Racer 2 and Gold Racer are all very comparable quick-response, rapid-recovery performers.Quote
Don71
I air test my machines out on my gold claims far, far away from interference.
I already sent my machine back. It had other problems like target separation. I could put a nail and quarter 4" apart and they would blend. As soon as I saw this ID smearing, I packed it up. My Au gold finder/gold racer can separate targets no problem.
Yes, the “East Coast” (of the USA) can have some older dated artifacts than “Out West” as long as the areas haven’t been built over or ruined. Much of what Keith and others are after date to the period just before, during and after the Civil War, but there are some older site opportunities, if you can find them.Quote
Don71
Keith,
I think I would be more into digging all non-ferrous if I lived on or closer to the East Coast. Here in Washington State, the relics are not as good.
If I am going out for some ‘traditional’ Coin Hunting around city locations, I grab my Racer 2, and use the 7X11 if the site is pretty clean and any metal targets are well spaced, but I most often use the round 5½” DD (or an ‘OOR’ coil) because I hunt in and around trashier conditions.Quote
Don71
I thought about the Racer 2 over the Fors Relic but is there much difference for a coin hunter?
Well, I’m not Keith, but I had two F19’s and let both of the go for several reasons related to unfriendly performance, and lack of depth on higher-conductive targets was one of them. I went to the FORS CoRe and it far surpassed the performance I had been getting from my MXT All-Pro, F19, and a few other makes and models.Quote
Don71
Thanks Keith, do you get the sporadic high tone false signals on your relic?
I know the F19 is not very deep. That's why I have been in search of a new detector.
It does well in the first 4-5" of depth. I wish it punched deeper.
This is Monte, and I live in Vale in far Eastern Oregon, and I have a short drive to four different ghost towns that date to 1863 for the oldest. Three of them are gold mining towns where the nastiest trash is rusty tin. The Ground Phase in my yard ranges from ‘77’ to ‘85’ and the old town sites I hunt the ground phase can be up to ‘87+.’ Many of the locations I work a detector have a hot rock infestation and the Relic, Racer 2 and other FORS/Racer series models handle things quite well.Quote
Don71
Dean,
What State do you detect in?
I do have a lot of magnetite and hematite in my soil.
There are quite a few hot rocks both large & small.(usually basalt)
I think this causes a lot of grief for the Relic's discrimination.
The Gold Racer handles my ground much better but that machine was designed for high mineralization I believe.
-Don
Interesting. I really enjoy my Gold Racer, but it’s strength is dealing with tiny specimens. It doesn’t handle dense mineral bodies as well as the Racer 2, FORS CoRe, FORS Gold + or FORS Relic models, but it is certainly hot on the tiny specimens.Quote
Don71
Dean,
I like the Gold Racer a lot! Actually, it's the Nokta AU Gold Finder which is just the Gold Racer circuit inside a Gold Bug looking box.
It's very hot on tiny gold and works as advertised.
I bought the AU Gold Finder to clean up tiny pickers on cleared off bedrock and to scan quartz for specimens the pulse machines miss.
I was out testing the Fors Relic again today.
I had to lower the IMASK to 4 to get coins to sound off decently.
No matter what setting, when I scan a dime in air I get a target ID of 80.
When I bury the dime about 3 inches down it has a Target ID of 98.
The Fors Relic is a difficult beast.
-Don
If you’re going by the last four numbers (and there are more that could make it different), my first ‘prototype’ that was later named FORS Relic has a lower serial number. My ‘production’ Relic has a higher serial number, but they all work as they should and I don’t have any of the issues you mention.Quote
Don71
I live in Washington State.
There might be something wrong with this unit as well.
Serial number ending in 3098, I think this is #98 off the production line.
My first unit was Serial # 3018 and had 3" less on air tests over this 3098 unit.
Di2 and Deep are the deeper-seeking modes at the default Sensitivity. Di3 is the weakest mode at default Sensitivity. I have my FORS Relic set at ‘99’ Sensitivity in Di3, and reduce it only if necessary due to EMI or other must-do reasons.Quote
Don71
It does seem very odd the way it doesn't work well at any setting.
(My DI3 can't even pick up a 3" dime when in the ground. DI2 & Deep hit it hard but wrong target ID that matches all the iron nail false ID's. I can raise IMask above 4 to kill the iron falsing but then the coin signals are almost gone.)
Well, I get PM’s and e-mails from quite a few folks who have acquired a FORS series model, to include the new Relic, and they have great things to say about them. I only see incidental things pop up, and sometimes those have been simply human error and misunderstanding of how these models work compared with what they were used to.Quote
Don71
I suspect there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way.
There seem to be very few people getting good results from the silence on the forums. You seem to have a goood working machine. I think Nokta made sure the field testers got "hand picked" good & hot machines to sing praise and sell units.
I have had the X-Terra 70, used some 705’s, had the Gold Bug pro and G2 (same detector) and two F19’s. None of them were/are a match for the field results I get from my Relic models. I think you might just need to double check and see if it really has a design glitch, or if it is more a matter of settings, search coil presentation, and just learning and mastering the Relic.Quote
Don71
I have used the Xterra 705, Gold Bug Pro, and F19 without problems. (and others)
At this point, I consider the Relic a $700 waste of money.
-Don
My yard varies from ‘77’ to ‘85.60’ and many sites I work get to ‘87+’ and I haven’t had a lack of ability for the Relic to challenge ‘bad ground.’ It does a little better in very mineralized rocky areas than the Gold Racer, but the Gold racer suffers due to the Low Frequency operating range.Quote
Don71
Sharpshooter,
Yes, my ground is mineralized and I ground balance at 85 in my backyard.
It could be that the Relic cannot handle the ground well here.
As I have mentioned, I have located silver and clad Dimes, Indian Head and early Wheat-Back Cents and Buffalo Nickels at and beyond 5” with the round 5” DD coil. Deeper targets will struggle to produce a consistent TID, but they are findable with the Relic and smaller coil.Quote
Don71
Today, I buried a dime in a new location at 3" down.
Ground balance at 85 and I can get correct target ID most of the time. (least jumpy in DI2)
I also tried a 5" deep dime but with the small coil you wouldn't dig it, sounds scratchy like trash.
This is the maximum detection depth of my F19.
(This new spot was soil only, no small pebbles.)
If the settings were very comparable, and using the same size/type search coil, it would surprise me as well. My Gold Racer is impressive, but the FORS Relic can match or better it on most common Coin Hunting targets.Quote
Don71
My Gold Racer at 56 Khz hits on the 3" dime harder than the Relic.
I find that disturbing. The Gold Racer was also getting an intermittent signal on a 5" dime.(This was using the 5" round coil)
It will be good to hear what you think of the Racer 2. They are kind of the same, but they are also kind of different, even when the settings are comparable. They are different enough that it justifies having both the Relic and Racer 2 in my primary-use detector battery.Quote
Don71
Dean,
I am going to buy a Racer 2 to compare to the Relic before I contact Nokta again.
There is no use sending it back if all Relics are this way in my ground.
Funny, I was talking to Chris Gholson on the phone the other day.
He said he was going to ask his friend if he was having these problems with the Relic.
I didn't know he was talking about you.
-Don
What settings do you usually use on the FORS Relic?Quote
Preston2784
Hi Don and Dean,
I am having the same troubles with my FR. Some days it runs like a dream and other days when it's hot outside 70° on up the ID jumps all over. My GB is anywhere from 65-79 so not quite as hot as yours . I've tried every setting with IMASK 0 to 6 and is the same.
I am headed to Ogden, Utah early tomorrow morning (the 16th) and then on to Wells, Nevada for a 4-day Welcome-to-Hunt Outing. I was back in Ogden about 3-4 weeks ago and the Relic continued to work very well. A lot depends upon settings and operation, especially the Discriminate mode chosen for the type of trash at a site.Quote
Preston2784
Where I live here in Utah it's 30 degrees in the morning and has been getting up I'm 70's lately I don't know if I should send my machine back to be tested or just keep trying to figure it out.
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