THE NEW MAKRO KRUZER SERIES!

sanjuro Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
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> > Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> > > bado1 Wrote:
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> > --
> > > -----
> > >
> > > >
> > > > E-TRAC exchange program prior to XP.
> > >
> > > Having had the ETRAC, I don't think I'd pony u
> p
> > th
> > > e E-TRAC exchange program as any kind of shinn
> in
> > g
> > > example, it was as I recall, an almost entirel
> y
> > us
> > > eless application. Some chap in Europe put to
> ge
> > th
> > > er a much, much better application, it was eve
> ry
> > th
> > > ing that the E-TRAC exchange program should've
> b
> > ee
> > > n. Hopefully ML learned something from that??
> > >
> > > -Brian
> >
> > Brian,
> > That was in response to a comment by Sod Buster.
> H
> > e seems to think that XP had the first up- date-
> a
> > ble detector. CTX has it too ( before Deus) but
> Mi
> > nelab never used it (once I think). You are corr
> ec
> > t...hopefully Minelab learned and will make bett
> er
> > use of that feature on the Equinox.
> >
> >
> > Dean
>
> You are wrong XP were the first to release a detec
> tor that you could update yourself the XP Deus was
> released in 2009 the CTX 3030 came out in 2012

I stand corrected. Thanks.

Dean

awesome -

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The Kruzer appeared to be completely stable on the salt water beach---would some of you salt water guys comment on this--is this what you are looking for?

Very good sign. I'm impressed.

doc holiday Wrote:
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> The Kruzer appeared to be completely stable on the
> salt water beach---would some of you salt water gu
> ys comment on this--is this what you are looking f
> or?


Stable yes but how deep?, It's a single frequency VLF so I very much doubt it will compete with BBS,FBS, PI and more to the point the EQUINOX. Single frequency detectors are for the casual beach detectorist not the hardcore.
However at the top of the beach if the sand has been removed and coins and jewellery are mixed in with Iron it might outperform the BBS,FBS AND PI detectors due to it's blistering recovery speed, as for the Equinox we don't know yet but I would bet the farm that the EQUINOX will humble the Kruzer on the wet sand.
Inland and in freshwater I really like the look of the Kruzer, looks super fast and deep and excellent waterproof build quality.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> detectingMO Wrote:
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> > NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> > > Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a coup
> le
> > o
> > > f things. But......... while we are at it.....
> ..
> > ..
> > > ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBT
> RA
> > CT
> > > ED from the platform?
> >
> > Nothing if it delays release. They just mocked
> ot
> > her companies for not having announced products
> re
> > ady.
>
>
> I have a problem here.
> We have a manuafacturer debut a model series of de
> tectors.
> And say they will be available in Feb 2018.
>
> We were just provided pictures lately.
>
> Why couldn't folks have been shown pictures at le
> ast of this multi Kruzer for example, early on.
>
> And let folks here ask questions and give their op
> inion of the positives and minuses.
>
> Too much adhoc short notice going on here.
>
> Like the secrecy is hurting the process.
>
> I truly think now, some folks are becoming suspici
> ous.
> Meaning if I buy, will my detector be modded in th
> e next few months making the unit I bought obsolet
> e or not worth a hoot for resale later on.
>
> Too many mods being done on units after release.
>
> I think this could be in a sense overlooking the o
> bvious.
>
> I never did see posted just how many folks in the
> USA actually received a Kruzer in USA for testing.
> And it seems some of these folks just got their te
> st units.
>
> My posting this is not to mean actual testers don'
> t provide good feedback to the manufacturer.
>
> The actual ergonomics, detector layout, the physic
> al portions of the detector are just as important
> as the operation.
> Give all their due.
>
> I know everyone will likely not be satisfied all t
> he time.
>
> I do like a manufacturer who listens to customers,
> potential customers.
> But the sequence of events gathering this feedback
> seems is becoming somewhat counterproductive.
>
> I know it difficult, to have a perfect system.
>
> I would like to have seen pics of Kruzer when it w
> as known it would be sold one day. (In a far earli
> er stage of process).
>
> I really don't see what that could have hurt.
>
> And a manufacturer could indeed say no release dat
> e yet determined. But we are seeking feedback on
> this new coming model.
>
> And as more and more things get nailed down, conti
> nually release pics after changes are made.
>
> I think the detecting public would sincerely like
> to see the process of designing, making, altering
> a detector model be brought out into the open more
> .
> I'll bet in the end, a better unit, more satisfied
> buyers.

I totally disagree. The timing of the release of the Kruzer was perfect. So let's talk more about release dates:

You brought up the MX Sport. It was a beta machine that was submitted for final production making customers "beta testers" as Steve said and I agreed with entirely. It was months away from production release. So how did that happen? Either the testers dropped the ball, or it was "pushed" through.

How about the Impact? Remember that? A mis-communicated photo posted by the "Big K" caused a firestorm of questions Nokta had no answers for. The after math caused speculation and really did "impact" the market as a whole because confused customer were unsure what to purchase next.

The AT MAX. Here is another fine example of what not to do. With a another long unannounced delay, customer began cancelling pre-orders. They announce that they were adjusting a feature because of customer feed back. Good catch, but something so logical should of been caught way before(from what i read).

The Equinox conspiracy. In my original post similarity titled, I go on to say that the release was tearing apart communities and allowing the competition an opportunity to snag sales away from frustrated customer and I was right because that is just what happened. Several have cancelled pre-orders for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer. Here we are late January and still no official word whether these shipped or not. And if shipped to who? Distributors? Customers? Dealers? Just how long will this early December/late January release be?

In conclusion, to say post a picture of an unfinished product would be a good thing, it wouldn't. In fact it would be disastrous. It's up to the testers to provide the proper feedback BEFORE the announcement. Not During. Not after. A product launch announcement can and should, have a one month window between announcement AND when the customer has it in hand. Any more, or even less will cause many issues in the community.

doc holiday Wrote:
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> The Kruzer appeared to be completely stable on the
> salt water beach---would some of you salt water gu
> ys comment on this--is this what you are looking f
> or?

I tested it on the mineralized ocean beaches in Monterey, California. It ran fine, was stable even going from dry, to wet, to under water (coil not the machine), but the problem is that our beaches are sanded in, so targets were almost non-existent.

Cal stated - < but the problem is that our beaches are sanded in, so targets were almost non-existent.

Cal_cobra, Are they pumping the sand from further out in the ocean?...or do they truck it in from inland/elsewhere?

Check out a shipwreck map of the California coast. I looked at one from the east coast,... what a mind blower on the number of old and more recent wrecks. My point being...if they pump sand in from shipwreck areas.......anything can turn up in the new sanded in beaches.

ozzie Wrote:
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> Cal stated - < but the problem is that our beaches are sanded in, so targets were almost non-existent
> .
>
> Cal_cobra, Are they pumping the sand from further out in the ocean?...or do they truck it in from inland/elsewhere?
>
> Check out a shipwreck map of the California coast. I looked at one from the east coast,... what a mind blower on the number of old and more recent wrecks.
> My point being...if they pump sand in from shipwreck areas.......anything can turn up in the new sanded in beaches.

It depends on the area, their all different. I usually only beach hunt when there's storm/swell activity with sufficient swells to strip the sand off the beaches, as gold and silver sink deeply, and if the swells are high enough you can have one of three scenarios:

It's stripping sand from the beach getting to the oldies and sunken gold.
It can also "spit" targets up from the ocean.
Lastly it can sand in your beach with sterile sand as well, which is what we experienced when I tested the Kruzer there.

During the summer when people are detecting the beach, you're looking for fresh drops before the sink or the sand gets moved.

There's some serious old ship wrecks on the west coast, but the problem is that our ocean front isn't like, say Florida where the ocean bottom very gradually goes out to sea. In the case of Florida, it's simply not that deep (most of those Spanish fleet shipwrecks that've been located are only 15-20 feet deep). Our ocean floor drops off fast, some areas going down miles deep, so it's very rare that you see any ship wreck material surface, and most of them are so deep, you don't even hear of people diving them.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:

>
> The Equinox conspiracy. In my original post similarity titled, I go on to say that the release
> was tearing apart communities and allowing the competition an opportunity to snag sales away from frustrated customer and I was right because that is
> just what happened. Several have cancelled pre-orders for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer. Here we are late January and still no official word whether these shipped or not.
> And if shipped to who? Distributors? Customers? Dealers? Just how long will this early December/late January release be?
>

ML said at the U.S. ML Dealers meeting this month that the EQ would be delayed. Strictly looking at the shipping logistics to the U.S., I seriously doubt anyone in the U.S. will receive a production unit until April. It has to ship via container shipment from Malaysia to the U.S. (that's a good month or so), be processed by customs (unknown time delay), then shipped to the distributor. Will the distributor ship to the dealer to reship to the end customer, or will they drop ship it to the end customer on behalf of the dealer and save a bit of time and shipping costs. This last variable is unknown, but all of these variables equal time, and in customers eyes, delays.

I honestly cannot believe that people prepaid for their pre-orders back in September, I too would be pissed if I paid for something that wasn't delivered to me for 7-8 months. Don't quote me on this, but it may actually be illegal in some states. EDIT (I understand the pre-paid point is not a ML issue, it's a dealer <> customer issue).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2018 11:18PM by Cal_cobra.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> and I was right because that is
> just what happened. Several have cancelled pre-ord
> ers for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer. Here
> we are late January and still no official word

Looks like the smart money did the right thing.

Beyonder,
You have said the following here in this thread:

> The Equinox conspiracy. In my original post
> similarity titled, I go on to say that the release
> was tearing apart communities and allowing the com
> petition an opportunity to snag sales away from fr
> ustrated customer and I was right because that is
> just what happened. Several have cancelled pre-ord
> ers for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer. Here
> we are late January and still no official word whe
> ther these shipped or not. And if shipped to who?
> Distributors? Customers? Dealers? Just how long wi
> ll this early December/late January release be?

Can be please tell me the source of your information as far as SEVERAL have canceled preorders of Equinox for purchase of Kruzer.

Maybe we should start a poll here and try to find out who here have actually done.
I haven't btw.

I sure don't see this what you are saying when reading 5 different metal detecting forums.

So please tell us what you are basing this statement on exactly.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2018 04:30AM by Sod-buster.

Do the headphones come with a wired cable for use in water with the detector completely submerged? The 1/4" cable adapter is to short for water work with user supplied headphones.

Tom

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2018 01:08PM by Jackpine.

In my oponion we get new headphones with waterproof plug.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Beyonder,
> You have said the following here in this thread:
>
> > The Equinox conspiracy. In my original po
> st
> > similarity titled, I go on to say that the relea
> se
> > was tearing apart communities and allowing the c
> om
> > petition an opportunity to snag sales away from
> fr
> > ustrated customer and I was right because that i
> s
> > just what happened. Several have cancelled pre-o
> rd
> > ers for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer. He
> re
> > we are late January and still no official word w
> he
> > ther these shipped or not. And if shipped to who
> ?
> > Distributors? Customers? Dealers? Just how long
> wi
> > ll this early December/late January release be?
>
> Can be please tell me the source of your informati
> on as far as SEVERAL have canceled preorders of Eq
> uinox for purchase of Kruzer.
>
> Maybe we should start a poll here and try to find
> out who here have actually done.
> I haven't btw.
>
> I sure don't see this what you are saying when rea
> ding 5 different metal detecting forums.
>
> So please tell us what you are basing this stateme
> nt on exactly.

Well you missed this entire thread:

[www.minelabowners.com]

As for who did what for why, that was told to me in confidence but there are threads out there.

I had the Racer 2, and I now own and love the Impact.

I don't really need the waterproof aspect, although it would be nice, so I can't see giving up the extra features and modes of the Impact for a Kruzer.

For some reason, however, it feels as though the next Nokta device (Storm?) will offer something truly unique. Maybe even something completely new to the market, and perhaps that will compel me to purchase it.

I have also that kind of feeling...

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> Sod-buster Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Beyonder,
> > You have said the following here in this thread:
> >
> > > The Equinox conspiracy. In my original
> po
> > st
> > > similarity titled, I go on to say that the rel
> ea
> > se
> > > was tearing apart communities and allowing the
> c
> > om
> > > petition an opportunity to snag sales away fro
> m
> > fr
> > > ustrated customer and I was right because that
> i
> > s
> > > just what happened. Several have cancelled pre
> -o
> > rd
> > > ers for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer.
> He
> > re
> > > we are late January and still no official word
> w
> > he
> > > ther these shipped or not. And if shipped to w
> ho
> > ?
> > > Distributors? Customers? Dealers? Just how lon
> g
> > wi
> > > ll this early December/late January release be
> ?
> >
> > Can be please tell me the source of your informa
> ti
> > on as far as SEVERAL have canceled preorders of
> Eq
> > uinox for purchase of Kruzer.
> >
> > Maybe we should start a poll here and try to fin
> d
> > out who here have actually done.
> > I haven't btw.
> >
> > I sure don't see this what you are saying whe
> n rea
> > ding 5 different metal detecting forums.
> >
> > So please tell us what you are basing this state
> me
> > nt on exactly.
>
> Well you missed this entire thread:
>
> [www.minelabowners.com]?
> 32501-Equinox-back-order!/page2
>
> As for who did what for why, that was told to me i
> n confidence but there are threads out there.


So what was stated in this thread constitutes the use of the word SEVERAL?
I am sorry, I just don't see it that way.
The word SOME yes NOT several I can agree with.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sod-buster Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Beyonder,
> > > You have said the following here in this threa
> d:
> > >
> > > > The Equinox conspiracy. In my origina
> l
> > po
> > > st
> > > > similarity titled, I go on to say that the r
> el
> > ea
> > > se
> > > > was tearing apart communities and allowing t
> he
> > c
> > > om
> > > > petition an opportunity to snag sales away f
> ro
> > m
> > > fr
> > > > ustrated customer and I was right because th
> at
> > i
> > > s
> > > > just what happened. Several have cancelled p
> re
> > -o
> > > rd
> > > > ers for the Nox so they could get the Kruzer
> .
> > He
> > > re
> > > > we are late January and still no official wo
> rd
> > w
> > > he
> > > > ther these shipped or not. And if shipped to
> w
> > ho
> > > ?
> > > > Distributors? Customers? Dealers? Just how l
> on
> > g
> > > wi
> > > > ll this early December/late January release
> be
> > ?
> > >
> > > Can be please tell me the source of your infor
> ma
> > ti
> > > on as far as SEVERAL have canceled preorders o
> f
> > Eq
> > > uinox for purchase of Kruzer.
> > >
> > > Maybe we should start a poll here and try to f
> in
> > d
> > > out who here have actually done.
> > > I haven't btw.
> > >
> > > I sure don't see this what you are saying w
> he
> > n rea
> > > ding 5 different metal detecting forums.
> > >
> > > So please tell us what you are basing this sta
> te
> > me
> > > nt on exactly.
> >
> > Well you missed this entire thread:
> >
> > [www.minelabowners.com]
> p?
> > 32501-Equinox-back-order!/page2
> >
> > As for who did what for why, that was told to me
> i
> > n confidence but there are threads out there.
>
>
> So what was stated in this thread constitutes the
> use of the word SEVERAL?
> I am sorry, I just don't see it that way.
> The word SOME yes NOT several I can agree with.

I did say there were others out there. Do your own homework LOL

I'll do that Beyonder.
Do my own homework, and try not to report fake news.

Seen posted on Facebook by Dilek, Kruzer production models start shipping next week.

We may see operator's manual this week online.

[www.findmall.com]

Kruzer video
UK beach

[m.youtube.com]

Very good performance on wet sand. 9 to 12 inches...

d



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2018 09:01PM by choppadude.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> I'll do that Beyonder.
> Do my own homework, and try not to report fake new
> s.

I never said you did report fake news!

Kruzer multi video.

Depth tests on wet salt beach.

[m.youtube.com]

So that there is No confusion as to how many things/items/subjects/mentions were made on certain posts:

From the LSAT definitions:
FEW--not many,but more than 1.
SOME---at least 1 possible all.
SEVERAL---an indeterminate number--more than 2 all the way to 100%.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> We may see operator's manual this week online.
>
> [www.findmall.com]

The operators manual is already online, in Shelton's MK video he goes through each page, but note this is the pre-production manual, and there will likely be some changes (I know I submitted one).

What about E.U.D function. Can you explain this?