Whites MX SPORT

Here's the secret scoop along with circuit diagram submitted to the FCC.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=q7JhMynUOQqxb8KCYBByuA%3D%3D&fcc_id=KHS800-0347

From a source "Said it was intended to compete with the AT,pro. Said it's a repackaged mxt but semi to perform in salt conditions the same as the AT."





DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me



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With self adjusting threshold, tracking, ground grab, true all metal, VOC, backlight, adjustable, larger display, wet salt tracking, tone ID, etc. The ATpro can not compete as long as Whites doesn't over price it?

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

They need to use some RTV to hold those wires down instead of masking tape or nothing at all. Loose wires flex and break. This may be the prototype and not the actual finished build.

It also does not appear to be RoHS (Lead Free Solder) which is great.



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I like that I don't see any VR's on the Board..

The MXT is eat up in VR's....

Always made me worry it might get out whack over time..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

khouse Wrote:
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> With self adjusting threshold, tracking, ground
> grab, true all metal, VOC, backlight, adjustable,
> larger display, wet salt tracking, tone ID, etc.
> The ATpro can not compete as long as Whites
> doesn't over price it?


I disagree. The AT series does wonderful in the iron. The Audio is unique and good targets sing out in the iron. A backlight sure doesn't make a detector in my book. And I have used salt tracking detectors in ocean environments before only to be disappointed. I hope Whites has a winner in this detector, but let's be realistic.

Any iron audio adjustment on this coming new detector???

And I must say, it ok to have one's hope up on any newly released detector.

But I certainly am not going to be able to draw any real good conclusions based solely on a manual or what the detector looks like on the inside.

What we need is the coil to the soil here!!!!



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goodmore Wrote:
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> khouse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With self adjusting threshold, tracking, ground
> > grab, true all metal, VOC, backlight,
> adjustable,
> > larger display, wet salt tracking, tone ID,
> etc.
> > The ATpro can not compete as long as Whites
> > doesn't over price it?
>
>
> I disagree. The AT series does wonderful in the
> iron. The Audio is unique and good targets sing
> out in the iron. A backlight sure doesn't make a
> detector in my book. And I have used salt tracking
> detectors in ocean environments before only to be
> disappointed. I hope Whites has a winner in this
> detector, but let's be realistic
I use my backlight all the time. So this is a plus for me. Salt tracking can also be used outside of a salt water environment. Even the MXS's manual says you will be better off using a multi or pulse machine in the salt. I don't think Whites or Garrett would be fooling anyone if they were to say their single freq machines were tops in the salt. So for me having salt trac would just be another tool. The MXS has a 2 tone mixed mode audio feature in relic mode. This may prove better than the iron audio on the AT? We will have to see? I'm not saying the ATpro is an inferior machine at all. I have had several. But what if Garrett was releasing an upgraded ATpro with all these MXS features? Then add a large display to boot? This is what the MXS has done in my opinion. They took a good thing and improved upon it...

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

Yes Whites has the 2 tone Relic mode perfect on the MXT..

They have used the mixed mode for years on some of their units but the Combined mode on the MXT in relic is a Pure all metal and Disc in unison.. Very close tot he Nautilus...

The MIxed mode of their other units like the Silver eagle ,,Eagle2 ,,DFX,, and XLT Etc,, and such arent in the same League as combined mode of Relic mode MXT..

So from what I HEAR its a combined mode...

If the Just having a waterproof MXt will sell a ton..

The MXT kept Whites on the map for over a decade..Its their pure workhorse unit...It was so good it pushed the other workhorse out the door and into retirement...the 5900s and 6000's..

Whites has always had one thing going for them since the 70s.. and thats good reliable instruments...Quality components,,,And one of the best all metal systems to date...


MXT kept the tradition alive ,,

If all a person has is a MXT and a couple of extra coils they are about as good as you can get with patience and Skill...And you Know what a lot of people only have a MXT and are killing it in the fields everday...

And that's why they have sold so many over the years.. People Know when they buy one it will still be running in 20 years... and its a machine that will do it all..and do it all very well...

One thing that's alway's intrigued me about Whites is they keep a model in their catalog for years and years...they change the labels and such on the sides of the box but all in all like the MXT its just something that works and works well so it stays in the lineup..The 5900 ran in the lineup for years the 6000 too..Lets me know they dont just repackage and stick in different box and sell it again..Honest way to do business if you look at it...(((They say this is what we got and it works and if you learn how to use it it will reward you)))

Till they have something truly newer they dont just rehash..And I can respect that..


I know we all want this or need this and such but if you look at the way manufacturers do business is they get a Core DNA platform and they work off that...

Tesoros sound like and run like Tesoros...you can tell there all of the Same DNA

Whites feel like a Whites ...

DeepTechs all of their units feel like say a rg750

XP all the DNA of the DEUS is off the Goldmax original ..all there units are like that unit..

Nokta/Makro all the newer units are a CoRe DNA..

Garrett Even the AT line has the normal mode of which is GREEN MACHINE DNA..

FTP all the line emerges from the T2 you can tell it..The remaining line CZ is from the Old Fisher ...So we can tell FTP started with a clean slate..And it shows...They have a unique FTP DNA..

Minelab CTX is DNA of explorer...Which is from a Sovereign and you can feel it has a Unique DNA inside ..

Every manufacturer once they find there ingredients for sucess will have that Core DNA ..

We are watching the Makro/Nokta find their DNA right now...in 20 years you'll pick up a New Makro and it will have that exclusive fingerprint that's its own company characteristic .

Even when a company hires a outside engineer to develop a unit lIke Dave Johnson did for so many...you feel Daves DNA intermingled with the Core DNA of the company hes working for at the moment...

This upcoming MX Sport will have the Whites Core DNA...it will not have a choice if the past is an indicator of the future..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Well said Keith! That was awesome.
All these manufacturers make great products that can find the goods.
I think the key is to find the "DNA" that matches your own.
Find the feel, sound, and performance you like. Not what everyone else is using.
You will do better with a detector you are comfortable and confident with.
Bryan

........and the MXT is a Dave Johnson platform.

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Yes Whites has the 2 tone Relic mode perfect on
> the MXT..
>
> They have used the mixed mode for years on some of
> their units but the Combined mode on the MXT in
> relic is a Pure all metal and Disc in unison..
> Very close tot he Nautilus...
>
> The MIxed mode of their other units like the
> Silver eagle ,,Eagle2 ,,DFX,, and XLT Etc,, and
> such arent in the same League as combined mode of
> Relic mode MXT..
>
> So from what I HEAR its a combined mode...
>
> If the Just having a waterproof MXt will sell a
> ton..
>
> The MXT kept Whites on the map for over a
> decade..Its their pure workhorse unit...It was so
> good it pushed the other workhorse out the door
> and into retirement...the 5900s and 6000's..
>
> Whites has always had one thing going for them
> since the 70s.. and thats good reliable
> instruments...Quality components,,,And one of the
> best all metal systems to date...
>
>
> MXT kept the tradition alive ,,
>
> If all a person has is a MXT and a couple of extra
> coils they are about as good as you can get with
> patience and Skill...And you Know what a lot of
> people only have a MXT and are killing it in the
> fields everday...
>
> And that's why they have sold so many over the
> years.. People Know when they buy one it will
> still be running in 20 years... and its a machine
> that will do it all..and do it all very well...
>
> One thing that's alway's intrigued me about Whites
> is they keep a model in their catalog for years
> and years...they change the labels and such on the
> sides of the box but all in all like the MXT its
> just something that works and works well so it
> stays in the lineup..The 5900 ran in the lineup
> for years the 6000 too..Lets me know they dont
> just repackage and stick in different box and sell
> it again..Honest way to do business if you look at
> it...(((They say this is what we got and it works
> and if you learn how to use it it will reward
> you)))
>
> Till they have something truly newer they dont
> just rehash..And I can respect that..
>
>
> I know we all want this or need this and such but
> if you look at the way manufacturers do business
> is they get a Core DNA platform and they work off
> that...
>
> Tesoros sound like and run like Tesoros...you can
> tell there all of the Same DNA
>
> Whites feel like a Whites ...
>
> DeepTechs all of their units feel like say a
> rg750
>
> XP all the DNA of the DEUS is off the Goldmax
> original ..all there units are like that unit..
>
> Nokta/Makro all the newer units are a CoRe DNA..
>
> Garrett Even the AT line has the normal mode of
> which is GREEN MACHINE DNA..
>
> FTP all the line emerges from the T2 you can tell
> it..The remaining line CZ is from the Old Fisher
> ...So we can tell FTP started with a clean
> slate..And it shows...They have a unique FTP
> DNA..
>
> Minelab CTX is DNA of explorer...Which is from a
> Sovereign and you can feel it has a Unique DNA
> inside ..
>
> Every manufacturer once they find there
> ingredients for sucess will have that Core DNA ..
>
> We are watching the Makro/Nokta find their DNA
> right now...in 20 years you'll pick up a New Makro
> and it will have that exclusive fingerprint that's
> its own company characteristic .
>
> Even when a company hires a outside engineer to
> develop a unit lIke Dave Johnson did for so
> many...you feel Daves DNA intermingled with the
> Core DNA of the company hes working for at the
> moment...
>
> This upcoming MX Sport will have the Whites Core
> DNA...it will not have a choice if the past is an
> indicator of the future..
>
> Keith

LoL

I like em ALL

NOT every single machine that each manufacturer puts out there

but

at least 1 (or more) of their units B/cuz they fulfill some sort of desire/need (if not many) out in the fields/woods/water for me and some are better apt for those desires/needs than others. PLUS - let's face it = who don't like having/owning/trying out lots of toys!?

I love the sound of some, the feel of others, the way one conveys certain targets to you VS another, the depth and/or raw power of some, features on some VS others, sparky-ness of one over another and so on!

I can't wait to see what THIS (MXS) is all about = BRING IT ON!!

Here is what Steve Howard said about the MXS on the Whites Mothership forum. It's exciting!

MX Sport

Its coming really, really, soon. A bit more time for production level raw materials to arrive and to make sure everything is perfect.

Exciting to me, MX Sport has an old 1970's resurrected Nautilus feature "Reject Volume".

You can search in All Metal, however, adjust the volume of targets you have selected for rejection to 50%, 40%, 30% 20% or "0" the audio volume of the targets you have selected for accept. Doing so... it slaughters the cute little french thing for recover speed, it's assume! Note; (wireless detectors will not function in the water unless you run a special $ cable, convert to non-wireless).

Beats the AT for detection depth, beats the French for recover.

It is more detector than the AT.

For starters the MX Sport has;

Back-lit display
2 1/8" X 3" Display Size
Real All Metal Mode
Volume control
7 Search Modes
10 Foot Water Submersible.

More to come!

Howard

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

"Told ya I was excited!"

Des D Wrote:
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> "Told ya I was excited!"


I will wait and see what you think Des. The real test will be if you are willing to sell it after testing Its fair enough saying it has a faster recovery speed than the cute French thing but how will it be at unmasking in Iron.

I think they are going to have a nice machine here. I cant wait for it to get released. It will be a typical Whites unit and that it will be well made and a true work horse.

Slaughters the cute little French thing for recover speed....

Well I see where they say it's more,detector than at pro.

But they didn't say the same concerning the cute little French thing.

Sounds like to me. Both the At Pro and the cute little French thing--- had them cut off at the knees.

I mean why not talk or bring up any other detectors!!


And a certain person who posts here, has said detector manufacturers don't test and use other detectors when they are engineering and designing detectors.

With what's been said above--- sounds like they do.



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tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Slaughters the cute little French thing for
> recover speed....
>
> Well I see where they say it's more,detector than
> at pro.
>
> But they didn't say the same concerning the cute
> little French thing.
>
> Sounds like to me. Both the At Pro and the cute
> little French thing--- had them cut off at the
> knees.
>
> I mean why not talk or bring up any other
> detectors!!
>
>
> And a certain person who posts here, has said
> detector manufacturers don't test and use other
> detectors when they are engineering and designing
> detectors.
>
> With what's been said above--- sounds like they
> do.
I'm sure just about every manufacturer has all the competition's machines hidden in their "Bat Cave" for testing and reverse engineering. I know I would.

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

I would too.

Make no mistake.

I mean if you didn't how would you know if you had a competitive detector.

I mean a manufacturer's goal should be to outdo the competition for the price paid.
And with a flagship-- price really not a factor if it will out perform the competition in areas of detection.

I'd say GM and Ford have their own chop shops of sorts looking at each other's products and others as well.

I mean even looking at this up and coming detector-- does,sorta favor a F19 screen wise.

Nothing wrong with that.

I do like the menu system on the Racer, and looking at pics of impact-- looks similar. Not many buttons/ controls.

And a manufacturer could infact use one of their very own detectors too for comparison/ testing-- I'm sure Minelab did with the CTX-- compared to etrac and probably other Minelab models.



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tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> And a certain person who posts here, has said
> detector manufacturers don't test and use other
> detectors when they are engineering and designing
> detectors.
>
> With what's been said above--- sounds like they
> do.


Hey = who said that TNSS??

There have been at least a couple times this has been mentioned.

Assuming the mxt has always worked.

In this thread

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

I guess someone who is in the inside of a detecting company could indeed make such a statement and it be true.
I know I'm not and can't.

Imagine a person going for an Olympic Gold Medal in an event.

Would the person trying to win such--- would they ever peek ( be interested) in what kind of time or distance has won the event in the past??
If they never did, how would they know how their training is progressing or is even possible for them to place in such an event?!



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I guess your post is aimed at my responsein posted link above.. TNSS????

I read through and I was the one in the post talking about XP ...

Quote Me

"One thing about creative genius you wont easily steer them astray...

I believe XP is only looking at XP,, I feel they do not worry about the competition unless its to check for copyright infringement's..

Company has a Different feel about them than any other manufacturer at the moment..they Know what they have works well and they Im sure aim to protect it.."

I still believe in what I say about Xp..Of course it my opinion..

But I do know of Some manufacturers who do more than look at others.

But XP has that feel of they dont look around they look forward..


Maybe XP needs to copy Minelab to get a Visual I.D. system right...LOL!!


But like I've said dozens of times before in my post its just my opinion..Take it for whats its worth..


I have my own thought's..


Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Not taking aim at you Keith.
Just you are the only one here who has said such.

It would be hard for me to believe that the engineers at Xp for example didn't have knowledge of say the Tesoro's performance and probably other detectors in around iron.
It would also be hard for me to believe that every major detector manufacturer in the world has not tested Xp's detectors or at least one of them.

I guess we have a difference of opinion -- that's all

And this plays into your test with the nail board; especially the down the barrel test

So even you test a detector--- and according to how it does-- is a deal maker or deal breaker for your detecting purposes.
And you have said as much.
And I agree with you on this-- totally

But if you are testing and comparing--- why wouldn't the manufacturers???

And remember your own economic well being is not necessarily affected by how good or bad a detector performs-- but a manufacturer, could indeed be impacted.



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I'm not yet convinced metal detector manufactueres are aware at just how far some people want to push their designs in the fields..

They dont really know that SOME people hunt the way myself and others hunt..


XP IS SO FAR AHEAD IN THIS AREA IN IUNLOCKING IRON YET ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH..

Manufacturers dont now how far we want to go..

That is the reasoning from my earlier poat..HIGH PRAISE and a Compliment to Alain..

JUST IN CASE HE READS THE FORUM..

I like to give credit and praise when due..

I hope you don't take me to be a naive person..

I'm aware of how the metal detecting company's reverse engineer..

Keith


.

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

I can confirm with 100% certainty of manufacturers...or at least the engineers of other companies, taking a look under the hood of competitor's newest machines. I have traded two such machines to two different individuals for that purpose. I don't see anything wrong with it myself.

I agree on giving the credit when due as well.

And my post here.

Alain sure deserves kudos.

And if I remember correctly he and 5 engineers embarked on a journey to arrive where there are now.

I don't know any of the engineers names, but they too deserve kudos as well.

When a manufacturers breaks out of the pack so to speak, this in itself has usually a good effect on the entire industry.

We can see this pod design of so,e of the newer releases resembles Fisher series detectors.

People like the design and it is user friendly-- logiical design.

Fisher here deserves kudos.

There will be many more attributes used by other manufacturers that were indeed started by others.

And consider this fact.

The patent system does have a purpose-- but it could also be a holding back forward progress in " metal detector land".
Why???
Imagine if another manufacturers besides Minelab for example could play around with the fbs technology--- they indeed may be able to even stretch the tech further and faster than Minelab does or is even capable.

I don't think any of us knows where this road will end.

And it will no doubt be a winding road-- a road that will continue to have bridges built upon long after we here who post on this fine forum today are dead and gone

Only for later generations to be able to utilize and enjoy.

Here's an addition comment made by Steve Howard.
"Something extra exciting, the MX Sport resurrects an old 1970's Nautilus feature "Reject Volume". You can search in All Metal, select targets for rejection, and adjust the volume level of those rejected targets to 50%, 20%, or "0" volume. Doing so the MX Sport slaughters the cute little french thing for recovery and kills for depth (All Metal Mode)."

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

I'd like to see what his meaning "kills for depth"... in inches.... in moderate soil.

Somehow I feel relieved that Whites is stirring........ Ra Ra Ra, shisk boom Ba.

ozzie Wrote:
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> I'd like to see what his meaning "kills for
> depth"... in inches.... in moderate soil.
>
> Somehow I feel relieved that Whites is
> stirring........ Ra Ra Ra, shisk boom Ba.

I can't wait for Keith to get his hands on one and tell us if it's any good....it definitely looks and sounds good....

the MXT was on my short list several years back but I passed because of the weight and battery usage....

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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It would be hard for me to believe that the engineers at Xp for example didn't have knowledge of say the Tesoro's performance and probably other detectors in around iron.

It would also be hard for me to believe that every major detector manufacturer in the world has not tested Xp's detectors or at least one of them.Readers should take note that you bring up the close-to-death Tesoro line when comparing the XP Deus with regard to an ability to handle dense iron trash well. No argument from me, to be sure, because I have maintained at least one favorite Tesoro model in my personal arsenal for 33 years as of this summer, and currently have my favorite three that travel with me, all equipped with their own 6" Concentric coil. Why? Because as avid detectorists know, they are some of the absolute best when it comes to handling a dense iron littered site. I use them to compare all makes and models that hit the market.

I can tell you that not all manufacturers 'test' all the better competitor's models, and I am most certain that they don't test them in the way many of us do by actually working them in-the-field and do ample side-by-side comparisons.



Keith Southern Wrote:
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I'm not yet convinced metal detector manufactueres are aware at just how far some people want to push their designs in the fields..

They dont really know that SOME people hunt the way myself and others hunt..

XP IS SO FAR AHEAD IN THIS AREA IN IUNLOCKING IRON, YET ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH..

Manufacturers dont now how far we want to go..

KeithSpot-on, Keith. I have worked with and for manufacturers at different times since the early 1970's and in very recent years I have discussed competitor's models with engineers and marketing reps from different manufacturers and know that many (most) do not know just how challenging some of the iron infested sites are that we hunt, or the level of performance we, the more avid detectorists, my require/demand of a detector and/or search coil.

This past year we hosted two 'Welcome-to-Hunt Outings' to a few ghost towns in Nevada ... old railroad ghost towns that had a lot of activity in their day ... and most of the attendees who had at least some detecting experience in what they considered to be a "trashy environment" found out just how challenging some sites can be, and how some average performing detectors just don't cut it.


khouse Wrote:
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Here is what Steve Howard said about the MXS on the Whites Mothership forum. It's exciting!

MX Sport

Its coming really, really, soon. A bit more time for production level raw materials to arrive and to make sure everything is perfect.

Exciting to me, MX Sport has an old 1970's resurrected Nautilus feature "Reject Volume". You can search in All Metal, however, adjust the volume of targets you have selected for rejection to 50%, 40%, 30% 20% or "0" the audio volume of the targets you have selected for accept. Doing so... it slaughters the cute little french thing for recover speed, it's assume!

Beats the AT for detection depth, beats the French for recover.

HowardJust from reading Steve Howard's comments here it suggests the available Operator's Manual is missing a lot of information. It also suggests either his statements are confusing or we, as detector operators, don't understand things very well. Note the following:

"You can search in All Metal, however, adjust the volume of targets you have selected for rejection to 50%, 40%, 30% 20% or "0" the audio volume of the targets you have selected for accept."

All Metal is just that, an All Metal mode, and if he is referring to a true, Threshold-based All Metal mode, and not a motion-based All Metal Accept Discriminate mode setting, then it doesn't make sense because he is referring to being able to "reject" and "accept," and those are functions associated with a Discriminate mode and not a true All Metal mode.

Then, too, you might ponder this thought:

As a rule, a true, Threshold-based All Metal search mode could relieve us of the fatigue of using a motion-based search; it would generally produce a little better depth-of-detection; and would also usually be more responsive to fringe-reading targets; and it would be able to respond to ALL target, ferrous and non-ferrous, in any search site making it the best all-around performing search mode to use.

If you COULD select a traditional All Metal mode, yet be able to reduce the Audio Volume to perhaps nothing or a very, very low level for Iron Nails and most iron targets, and have a modest rate Target Volume for other metals from the upper Iron range through Foil and Tabs and even up to Screw Caps, plus assign a medium-hi Volume for Nickel-range conductors and a LOUD Volume for copper and silver and other higher-conductive targets .... then why would you need a second-derivative circuit for Discrimination? Why not just use the versatile single-filter All Metal mode, adjust the Target Volume as described in Steve H.'s post, and hunt away?

Honestly, I am hoping White's can pull a lively rabbit out of that hat on this stunt because several of the tricks they have tried to fool us with over the last three years haven't been some of their better performances. I would like them to stay afloat, and do so by being more competitive. Let's face it, they have fallen behind and the best all-purpose detector in their line-up today is the MXT Pro. They flubbed up a might giving us the MX5 (which I did like for a lot of hunting) but forgot to add a Lock Trac feature.

Also, look at the better recognized models this past year or two and you will see the MSRP is much more appealing and competitive, and the models in the ± $650 to $700 price range (with only one standard search coil) rival White's MXT All-Pro by being about $200 lower is cost, yet offering more features/functions and better all-around performance in many challenging conditions, especially the very dense trash sites that abound with iron.

I think White's needs to look at their MSRP line-up and, as needed, make some price adjustments in order to be more competitive. If they don't, and if they try to dazzle the consumers with over-priced products, they will continue to lose business and struggle to keep their dealers satisfied as well. The newly announced MX Sport does sound like a potentially decent offering ... if the performance is there in-the-field' ... but it shouldn't command a higher price.

A bold move to capture more consumer attention across their entire product line might be the following:

Coinmaster .. $199
Treasuremaster .. $299
Treasure Pro .. $399
MX5 .. drop it to $499 and make the standard coil the 6½" Concentric.
MXT All-Pro .. drop it to $699 and change to only the 9" spider Concentric coil as standard.
MX Sport .. bring it in at $899, which is still above the above mentioned competitor's waterproof unit.

I feel certain they would see an increase in interest, sales, and admiration of the White's detector line-up ... but if they stay higher priced or bring out the MX Sport close to the amount we have seen bounced around ... sales won't be great or last for long.

Just my biased opinions, but I am certainly hoping the new MX Sport has some improved performance for the types of bad sites I hunt, and can rival the field performance in dense iron like my three Tesoro's, or the Makro Racer, Nokta FORS CoRe or even the higher frequency FORS Gold+. There's room for a White's, if it is improved in the performance and feature department.

Monte

You make some good points Monte and have some good recommendations IMO.

I think the Nokta/Makro folks have a pretty good handle on site loaded with iron that are challenging.
Xp as well.
Tesorso as well.

I don't think any of the 3-4 above are shooting in the dark per se.

This Deus version 4.0 is a staring them/ us in the face.
Nokta Impact the same.

And used Deus units are going for $900-1000.
And many have more warranty left on them than even a new Mx Sport has when purchased new.

A delimma of sorts.

And we don't even know what Minelab, Fisher, and Garett are up to with coming releases.

A tight market no doubt.

A real needle to thread.

Glad it's not me having to do.



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