Here's the new Minelab Equinox

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> As humans............... we are 'resistant-to-CHAN
> GE'. ,,,
> I pose:
>
> What if..................................... the E
> QIQ completely rids the hunger/need for the 2-D sc
> reen concept.......even for the die-hard 2-D scree
> n users.

NASA-Tom,

I guess I could at least fathom this as a possibility; as I mentioned in another thread, the E-Trac, and now CTX, sort of began to take things in that direction, IMO. On the Explorer, there is a TON of information, in my opinion, in how the FE number behaves. On the E-Trac however, they "did their best" (in the software, I assume) to "normalize" the FE number to read "12" as often as possible. Albert, then, says that on the CTX, that "12" FE number is even MORE stable/steady. Taken to the logical extreme, if they could achieve a near perfect "12" on the FE side, all the time, then one could easily argue that the "12" becomes unnecessary information, and they may as well just give the CO number, right? Sort of like (as I understand it) is the case on the Safari?

I just struggle to see how this is likely, though; it seems to me that no matter how you slice it, you are losing valuable information by losing the 2D ID. For instance, there are some parks I hunt that are full of flattened aluminum screw caps. Those things read a pretty solid 07-27 on an Explorer. So, when I hit one of those parks, it's pretty easily for me to "mentally notch out" that target, if I want to. HOWEVER, it is not uncommon for a wheat cent to read 02-27, 03-27...and a deep one might at times have some occasional "teens" numbers on the FE side, 14-27, 11-27. Now, if all the Explorer gave me were the CO number, all of those readings would, presumably, be 27 (the CO number). While there may be some tonal clues or other tricks to help, losing that FE number would -- in that scenario -- remove some of the information that can help with a dig/no-dig decision...

Not sure exactly how the Equinox could "make 2D screens obsolete" (LOL)...



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Dr.Tones Wrote:
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> The Equinox uses different sets of multiple freque
> ncies in each mode. The "parks" mode is on the low
> er end of the spectrum and is intended for deeper
> coin hunting like we would have in the US parks, s
> ports fields etc. The "Fields" mode uses frequenci
> es that are more geared towards the UK/European hu
> nting style in that it's more sensitive to smaller
> bits i.e. cut hammered, 1/4 staters etc. Beach mod
> e will only operate in Multi frequency and is tail
> ored to suit highly mineralized ground conditions.
> Prospecting opperates on 20 or 40 kHz and is desig
> ned to hit small gold at a reasonable depth in hig
> hly mineralized ground. Keep in mind, these modes
> are still being tweaked and there might be some mi
> nor modifications made to improve performance. I t
> hink what a lot of people aren't focusing on, is t
> hat Multi-IQ is handles mineralized ground better
> than FBS/BBS. This is why I believe my Equinox is
> achieving better depth in my hunting areas than my
> CTX. We all tend to get very hung up on lower freq
> uencies being deeper but that's only half of the e
> quation. How the frequencies are delivered/receive
> d plays an equally important roll to how they reac
> t with targets in the ground. For example, a 5kHz
> frequency delivered in Multi-IQ might penetrate mi
> neralized ground better than a 3kHz frequency in F
> BS. Just like an atom bomb detonated in air would
> be more catastrophic than the same bomb detonated
> on the ground. Delivery is key. The Nox is just a
> whole new category and I know we want to do what's
> natural and compare it to what we know, but the fa
> ct is, we can't... because it's just different.
> DISCLAIMER- I'm not an engineer and these examples
> are how I've interpreted my experience.

Brandon, really good stuff. I'm loving these little "dumps" of information. I'll take all you have to offer...

Steve

Dr.Tones Wrote:
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> The Equinox uses different sets of multiple freque
> ncies in each mode. The "parks" mode is on the low
> er end of the spectrum and is intended for deeper
> coin hunting like we would have in the US parks, s
> ports fields etc. The "Fields" mode uses frequenci
> es that are more geared towards the UK/European hu
> nting style in that it's more sensitive to smaller
> bits i.e. cut hammered, 1/4 staters etc. Beach mod
> e will only operate in Multi frequency and is tail
> ored to suit highly mineralized ground conditions.
> Prospecting opperates on 20 or 40 kHz and is desig
> ned to hit small gold at a reasonable depth in hig
> hly mineralized ground. Keep in mind, these modes
> are still being tweaked and there might be some mi
> nor modifications made to improve performance. I t
> hink what a lot of people aren't focusing on, is t
> hat Multi-IQ is handles mineralized ground better
> than FBS/BBS. This is why I believe my Equinox is
> achieving better depth in my hunting areas than my
> CTX. We all tend to get very hung up on lower freq
> uencies being deeper but that's only half of the e
> quation. How the frequencies are delivered/receive
> d plays an equally important roll to how they reac
> t with targets in the ground. For example, a 5kHz
> frequency delivered in Multi-IQ might penetrate mi
> neralized ground better than a 3kHz frequency in F
> BS. Just like an atom bomb detonated in air would
> be more catastrophic than the same bomb detonated
> on the ground. Delivery is key. The Nox is just a
> whole new category and I know we want to do what's
> natural and compare it to what we know, but the fa
> ct is, we can't... because it's just different.
> DISCLAIMER- I'm not an engineer and these examples
> are how I've interpreted my experience.


Wow that works a lot different than I had thought in my mind. I had figured it would cycle through the same frequencies for all the modes and that the only difference in "modes" would be the preset discrimination levels, tones, etc. The way you just described it, sounds really good and interesting. I'm glad I am one of the first on the list to get one with my dealer.

Again... To reiterate, I'm not sure why I'm getting the current results that I am. This is my speculation and as I have stated, I'm a fireman, not an engineer and in time, Minelab will release details on the functionality of Multi-IQ. Until then, it's anyone's guess (including my own).

good post Brandon,

"I think what a lot of people aren't focusing on, is that Multi-IQ is handles mineralized ground better than FBS/BBS. This is why I believe my Equinox is achieving better depth in my hunting areas than my CTX."


Can you describe your ground conditions for us, ie just how 'mineralized' is it? I always felt I never got the depth I needed with either the etrac or ctx. My ground is very mineralized. I do know the F75 was a failure in my ground compared to the 2 Minelabs....and I found a lot with the ctx (fbs2) that the etrac missed.

so, if the Nox handles mineralized ground better, then I would have a chance to find a few nice items I've missed, eh.

cheers

The "X-Terra 705, was able to GB in it's Beach Mode and operate quite well in some grounds it had difficulty ground balancing in it's 'normal Coins Mode' e.g. pasture, plowed fields etc.
This had a side effect when really rusted away ferrous bits were encountered, they didn't register in the audio side and provided some interesting 'unmasking'
But it's 'land coins mode' wouldn't GB on wet sand!
It's 'Prospecting Mode' also worked well all across the beach areas including, dry sand, wet and the transition area BUT careful Sensitivity manipulation had to be done, and careful not to touch the coil on the surface!

'Racer 2' was also able to GB inland on some wet soils that had animal urine creating 'hot patches', where Sens had to be lowered and/or false signals ensued.
The Beach Mode transformed a few of these areas for me!

Will the EQ be the same? If it is, it will make for an even more versatile machine!!

Q. Can Brandon check this out? If you're relatively near the coast???

Des D Wrote:
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> The "X-Terra 705, was able to GB in it's Beach Mod
> e and operate quite well in some grounds it had di
> fficulty ground balancing in it's 'normal Coins Mo
> de' e.g. pasture, plowed fields etc.
> This had a side effect when really rusted away fer
> rous bits were encountered, they didn't register i
> n the audio side and provided some interesting 'un
> masking'
> But it's 'land coins mode' wouldn't GB on wet sand
> !
> It's 'Prospecting Mode' also worked well all acros
> s the beach areas including, dry sand, wet and the
> transition area BUT careful Sensitivity manipulati
> on had to be done, and careful not to touch the co
> il on the surface!
>
> 'Racer 2' was also able to GB inland on some wet s
> oils that had animal urine creating 'hot patches',
> where Sens had to be lowered and/or false signals
> ensued.
> The Beach Mode transformed a few of these areas fo
> r me!
>
> Will the EQ be the same? If it is, it will make fo
> r an even more versatile machine!!
>
> Q. Can Brandon check this out? If you're relativel
> y near the coast???

so Brandon, find a potentially good target, then piss on it, ground balance again and swing away, lol

A puddle of urine is a good representation of your U.S seawater?



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Pimento Wrote:
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> A puddle of urine is a good representation of your
> U.S seawater?

The only differences are volume and color......as far as taste, well, I have no knowledge on that.

"Hah, yuzz guys r funny!!! I meant could he try the Beach Mode in a grass site and not to 'pee' on his 'Timberland's'..... Lol"

( do a beach mode ground balance in a park )

Wish I lived by the beach! Hawaii in December though!!!!

How can you travel so much on fireman pay LOL.
Thanks for the last vid of the NOX getting excited now.
I know people want a lot of features but sometimes less is more that is why I like the NOX.
I found some of my best finds with Detectors with no screen ID.
But must say my oldest find was with a Explorer silver dime deep accurate ID hunted out spot that I never found anything at except that one dime.



Dr.Tones Wrote:
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> Wish I lived by the beach! Hawaii in December thou
> gh!!!!



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What made the Explorers good silver sniffers ...... was simply put the unique tone on deep silver. So.... now we come back to the question...... $2400 for a CTX or $900 and the new machine is better on deep targets in terrible soil? Im a beach guy in FL..... with spotty minerals at best...... whats the bad news here? Im seeing a simple machine to use, light and easy to move in the water, faster than most in water multi freq machines, has a TID screen most of the divers being used as waders dont, and im getting improvements to small gold all around.. especially in the dry sand. Some say its not a CTX..... may well not be in dirt, but until someone gives a good beach report, i still see this a a win for us.

Dew

Does anyone know if the Equinox has Auto sensitivity like the E-Trac/CTX? +1-2-3?

Bryan

Cabin Fever Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if the Equinox has Auto sensitivi
> ty like the E-Trac/CTX? +1-2-3?
>
> Bryan


"I asked that same Q. few posts ago?

Who knows?

The Prototype's seen so far haven't alluded to it but there probably are 'more hidden features' we or the Tester's haven't seen yet?

Testing prototype jobs not all the functions 'are switched on' until very close to end of overall testing. That's what happened during the CTX testing.
But I might be wrong and your Q might be answered better than my opinion?"

I use my YouTube revenue to fund trips, frequent flyer credit cards miles for air travel and a lot of times I also do travel review videos for resorts for discounted rates. Don't let it fool ya though, YouTube seems more like a full time job than my actual job these days. Always filming, editing and utilizing social media.

Cool looking forward to your Hawaii hunting trip.

Gent on another forum asked about waterproof headphones for Equinox.
This on friendly forum.

Here is the response given by I think a credible source.

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treasure_hunter1;2838029
Same as the one for the CTX 3030 but with a different waterproof connector.

ru

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four search programs plus two submodes - park, field, beach, gold.
Menu:
1. The EMI filter
2. adjustment to the ground - manual, auto, tracking
3. Volume
4. Volume of the Threshold
5. Tone
6. Selective Discrimination
7. Recovery Speed

The depth of the target is displayed in the form of triangles, one triangle is one inch.
The "+" and "-" keys adjust the sensitivity of the detector.
It is possible to turn on and off the discrimination of iron with the key.

To the detector there will be two additional coils - 6" sniper and 15x12" DD

In the test for the separation of coins from copper lie between the coins of iron.
In the depth test, a coin of 5 kopecks of the USSR 1931 and one kopeck of the USSR 1934 is used.




ps: it's still a prototype !, but it's quite good ...



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Good video. Wish I could understand what he's saying.
Very impressive depth and speed.

That's probably one of the bestoverview videos on it so far. Looks like it has a lot of features packed into a great price.

You can turn on Subtitles and translate them from Russian to English. It is crude but you can get the jest of what he is saying and explaining.

VFP7, thanks for showing us the video. Video was very well done also.

That video impressed me.

The machine was BANGING on that coin. At that depth? Like 13.5", and at least a DECENT attempt to make it an "in the dirt" coin? WOW. I think it's pretty clear it will be a fast machine, but that depth? And the ID looked pretty stable too...

Wow.

Maybe that's a little shred of evidence there that some of the "hype" isn't purely "hype;" maybe there's a little "mean on them bones?"

Seems to confirm some of what we have been hearing...

Steve

This detector has a possibility of opening up all your hunted out sites, IMHO.

That is certainly the way it is looking at this point, preliminarily, possum. I got on the "wait list" at a dealer yesterday...not usually my style, to be an "early adopter," but in this case, I'm going to get one early and do some of my own testing...

I have a feeling it's going to be a good one...

Steve

Looks like multi frequency has finally got the speed and sensitivity to low conductors it was lacking, that combined with the ID at depth is gonna be awesome. I think there's more to this multi IQ tech than they've let us know so far, I think this is a huge leap in multi freq technology time will tell, but the way it was locking on to that small coin at that depth with that kind of speed is a game changer. Can't wait to get my Nox's


John

I wonder if the audio is open gate or the snap shot type?

Can you elaborate on those two terms, ghound? I'd like to be educated...

Steve

open gate is where the audio reports instantly what it see's, can change and blend tones as it go's over multiple targets.
Snap shot takes an picture of what it sees while you go over a target, say a nail beside a coin, if it's not quick enough to reset you'll only hear either the nail or coin, not both.
Keith's the guy that can explain it far better.

ghound --

Yes, I have heard Keith talk about this before...very interesting; I don't know though what examples are of each type, that I'd be familiar with. Is the F70 snapshot, or open gate (assume snapshot). Is the F19 snapshot, or open gate (snapshot, I assume). An Explorer? Pretty sure that would be an example of "open gate." It seems "blendy" to me...

I think Keith prefers "blendy," but he likes the F19 -- so I presume that might be an "open gate/blendy" machine, even though it seems "snapshot" to me?

Steve