MX Sport Audio Modulation, VCO, Iron Grunt, slight hum from backlight

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More testing done.

First I need to concur with Wayne here on the VCO,,,,it is not the actual signal that is affected by using,rather the leading the lagging whatever you hear.
But remember above where I state,,using sat level 8,,this leading and lagging whatever noise goes bye bye.

Iron grunt,,,may take somebody here smarter than myself to figure out,,,I see no change or really anything when it is employed or not.

As far as the modulation goes,,,seems IMO to be tied somewhat to recovery speed,,,meaning if I speed way up the sweep,,tone clarity improves somewhat,,but IMO it never really get to where it is with modulation off.

I don't think this unit has the hum with backlight turned on.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2016 12:53PM by tnsharpshooter.

Since it seems Mr Boykin is following this thread.

A few comments.

I see I think you spoke of your experience here.

My take on this entire scenario,,and I think where some folks have a problem understanding.

It has been stated in numerous places on this forum over some years now---MXT works

It has also been suggested,,if White's could get the guts of MXT into a water proof case,,,,would be a good seller.

So this thingy here with the MX Sport,,this is not about testers,,not having or even having competent testers.

What I'm saying is White's seems already had a tester--- the MXT !!

I guess I could ask you why was this detector named the way it was???

Now it would only make sense if a company plans on taking an already successfully built unit and plans to use a lot of what it already offered.

And to add even some other things too,,to make the detector either more enjoyable,,more interesting,,or have better performance.

Now I have never ran a MXT detector.

So,,,wasn't the MX Sport compared to MXT???

And I think it would also be common sense maybe,,,when a detector is for lack of a better term here cloned from another model,,,any and all new offerings settings wise,,mode wise--- these will definitely face huge scrutiny.

I guarantee for example,,when Makro Racer 2 were bought,,folks wanted to see immediately what it had and how it performed vs Racer 1 offerings.
I am not bring this up here to instigate or insult btw,,,just trying to show my points.

Mr Boykin,,since it seems you are sorta new at White's,,,let me say something else here.

A smart metal detector rep will monitor this forum,,,on a regular basis.

Why???

Because I truly feel,,,if a detector satisfies the majority of folks who are members here--- you likely to be proud of such a unit,,and it will likely sell.

Also,,,many folks here are constantly talking about likes/ dislikes here about certain model detectors,,,some even give recommendations.

A very good eyes and ears forum for any company to benefit from.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2016 02:38PM by tnsharpshooter.

Iron grunt only affects all metal channel. So when turned on in all metal or prospecting you get two tone audio (iron grunt on iron). It also shows up on the all metal audio channel in relic mode but this is where i feel the mxs hass issues. The all metal and disc audio seem to be battling for one gate not two.

Modulation only affects disc audio. Tone volume is typically proportional to signal strength/depth. Most companies only have it affect last half of depth. Some let you adjust it. On the mxs it doesnt seem to kick in until the last 2" of depth and it goes frim full audio to almost nothing when it kicks in instead of gradual.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2016 02:41PM by detectingMO.

detectingMO Wrote:
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> Iron grunt only affects all metal channel. So
> when turned on in all metal or prospecting you get
> two tone audio (iron grunt on iron). It also
> shows up on the all metal audio channel in relic
> mode but this is where i feel the mxs hass issues.
> The all metal and disc audio seem to be battling
> for one gate not two.
>
> Modulation only affects disc audio. Tone volume
> is typically proportional to signal
> strength/depth. Most companies only have it
> affect last half of depth. Some let you adjust
> it. On the mxs it doesnt seem to kick in until
> the last 2" of depth and it goes frim full audio
> to almost nothing when it kicks in instead of
> gradual.


I see.
So can I deduce from your remarks here,,iron grunt when in relic mode-- unused??

And if so,,why does this option,,why even available when in relic mode??
No iron grunt available in coin and jewelry mode, trash, or beach modes it seems.

tboykin Wrote:
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> Kemper94 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Are you claiming this about the feeback for the
> MX
> > Sport ?
>
>
> Yes. You can search our Facebook page for some of
> the finds. I don't delete anything as long as it
> doesn't contain R rated language-
> [www.facebook.com]
>
> If you don't trust that, please check out these
> user groups for more info (made by customers,
> though I do try and lend advise when I can). They
> do have some posts about problems, but most are
> finds-
>
> [www.facebook.com]
>
> [www.facebook.com]
>
>
> If you don't like Facebook here is a review from
> MDF.... of the OLD firmware-
>
> [www.metaldetectingforum.co.uk]
> ?f=24&t=84939
>
>
> How about Amazon-
>
> [www.amazon.com]-
> Headphones/dp/B01D90K7Y6
>
>
> Or maybe you prefer videos-
>
> [youtu.be]
>
>
> Out of a few thousand sold, the legacy forums like
> DP, Crankowski, and a few threads on FM and TN are
> the source of most of our negative feedback. Which
> we definitely need to address. But these are the
> kinds of numbers we are talking about (and the
> difference in mediums)-
>
>
> Facebook has over 1 billion users (our page only
> has around 22k followers, but it's growing daily)
>
> This forum currently has 5 registered users online
> and Tnet has 2. Not billion. Or million. Single
> digits.
>
>
> I'm not discounting the importance of these forums
> as I think these are the "Hall of Kings" for metal
> detecting where you find the most experienced
> users. I'm just explaining my reasoning. From now
> on the forums will be included in what White's is
> doing as far as social media, and I've already
> contacted a few members here about testing
> machines in the future for us. People who I
> respect, and hope to shake hands with some day.
>
> I do not expect this to convince everyone in this
> thread. I think there may be a few here who are
> muddying the waters in order to keep me from
> helping those of you who have something meaningful
> and constructive to say. Remember what old Bill
> Shakespeare said - "The empty vessel makes the
> loudest sound."
>
> I will be out enjoying the weather with my MX
> Sport this weekend, far far away from any kind of
> computer. Should have an update for ya next week!

Ok Tom, well I found a better more accurate way of getting the True facts about this machine other than the face book Groupie Set,, Having contacted many Dealers from across the Globe, Now there figures don't lie, And up until a month ago Whites was still Shipping Defective machines to it's Dealers, With a 62.5% rise in complaints about The Whites MX Sport,

And 25% of the owners of these machines are trading them in within a month of Getting them Back, 75% of Owners are still hoping for a Resolve to all the problems.

I would highly recommend that those folks who are still not happy with your MX-sports that you Return them to the place of purchase and demand a Full Refund. Because whites has failed to Supply the Goods as Listed on the Box, and seeing as some of these machines have been back to the factory 3 and 4 times you are fully entitled to a full Refund due to the fact that they have failed to achieve acceptable working machines,

,



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2016 09:13PM by auminesweeper.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> detectingMO Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Iron grunt only affects all metal channel. So
> > when turned on in all metal or prospecting you
> get
> > two tone audio (iron grunt on iron). It also
> > shows up on the all metal audio channel in
> relic
> > mode but this is where i feel the mxs hass
> issues.
> > The all metal and disc audio seem to be
> battling
> > for one gate not two.
> >
> > Modulation only affects disc audio. Tone
> volume
> > is typically proportional to signal
> > strength/depth. Most companies only have it
> > affect last half of depth. Some let you adjust
> > it. On the mxs it doesnt seem to kick in until
> > the last 2" of depth and it goes frim full
> audio
> > to almost nothing when it kicks in instead of
> > gradual.
>
>
> I see.
> So can I deduce from your remarks here,,iron grunt
> when in relic mode-- unused??
>
> And if so,,why does this option,,why even
> available when in relic mode??
> No iron grunt available in coin and jewelry mode,
> trash, or beach modes it seems.

Its available in relic mode because relic does have all metal audio and is working. However on other whites machines with stereo mixed mode audio you have two clearly seperate audio gates/channels. In stereo phones you have am in one ear and disc in the other. Its reall sweet! However on mxs they seem to be battling for one audio channel/gate and its all snap crackle pop rice crispies. Turn on iron grunt and modulation in relic mode and it sounds horrific. Beyond relic mode and modulation issue the mxs is a very deep and capable machine.

detectingMO Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > detectingMO Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Iron grunt only affects all metal channel.
> So
> > > when turned on in all metal or prospecting
> you
> > get
> > > two tone audio (iron grunt on iron). It also
> > > shows up on the all metal audio channel in
> > relic
> > > mode but this is where i feel the mxs hass
> > issues.
> > > The all metal and disc audio seem to be
> > battling
> > > for one gate not two.
> > >
> > > Modulation only affects disc audio. Tone
> > volume
> > > is typically proportional to signal
> > > strength/depth. Most companies only have it
> > > affect last half of depth. Some let you
> adjust
> > > it. On the mxs it doesnt seem to kick in
> until
> > > the last 2" of depth and it goes frim full
> > audio
> > > to almost nothing when it kicks in instead of
> > > gradual.
> >
> >
> > I see.
> > So can I deduce from your remarks here,,iron
> grunt
> > when in relic mode-- unused??
> >
> > And if so,,why does this option,,why even
> > available when in relic mode??
> > No iron grunt available in coin and jewelry
> mode,
> > trash, or beach modes it seems.
>
> Its available in relic mode because relic does
> have all metal audio and is working. However on
> other whites machines with stereo mixed mode audio
> you have two clearly seperate audio
> gates/channels. In stereo phones you have am in
> one ear and disc in the other. Its reall sweet!
> However on mxs they seem to be battling for one
> audio channel/gate and its all snap crackle pop
> rice crispies. Turn on iron grunt and modulation
> in relic mode and it sounds horrific. Beyond
> relic mode and modulation issue the mxs is a very
> deep and capable machine.

I agree with your assessment,,,but I would add,,the lack of vco when SAT is dialed to level 8.
At least on my detector.
And it seems relic mode deeper than coin and jewelry mode in my neck of the woods.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2016 09:26PM by tnsharpshooter.

Mr Boykin a question.

Seems super moderator Fox has told folks on your site,,for folks to verify via dealers for Sat 8 units so they are insured to get firmware updated units.

So,,since the faceplates that are cracking,,this material it seems reported by your team has been replaced,,,so could you please tell folks here what units definitely have the better material faceplates installed at the factory originally by either serial number batch or manufactured date-- whichever is applicable.

I mean I don't think anyone wants to buy an updated firmware unit with already Idenified poor material faceplates.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> detectingMO Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > detectingMO Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Iron grunt only affects all metal channel.
> > So
> > > > when turned on in all metal or prospecting
> > you
> > > get
> > > > two tone audio (iron grunt on iron). It
> also
> > > > shows up on the all metal audio channel in
> > > relic
> > > > mode but this is where i feel the mxs hass
> > > issues.
> > > > The all metal and disc audio seem to be
> > > battling
> > > > for one gate not two.
> > > >
> > > > Modulation only affects disc audio. Tone
> > > volume
> > > > is typically proportional to signal
> > > > strength/depth. Most companies only have
> it
> > > > affect last half of depth. Some let you
> > adjust
> > > > it. On the mxs it doesnt seem to kick in
> > until
> > > > the last 2" of depth and it goes frim full
> > > audio
> > > > to almost nothing when it kicks in instead
> of
> > > > gradual.
> > >
> > >
> > > I see.
> > > So can I deduce from your remarks here,,iron
> > grunt
> > > when in relic mode-- unused??
> > >
> > > And if so,,why does this option,,why even
> > > available when in relic mode??
> > > No iron grunt available in coin and jewelry
> > mode,
> > > trash, or beach modes it seems.
> >
> > Its available in relic mode because relic does
> > have all metal audio and is working. However
> on
> > other whites machines with stereo mixed mode
> audio
> > you have two clearly seperate audio
> > gates/channels. In stereo phones you have am
> in
> > one ear and disc in the other. Its reall sweet!
>
> > However on mxs they seem to be battling for one
> > audio channel/gate and its all snap crackle pop
> > rice crispies. Turn on iron grunt and
> modulation
> > in relic mode and it sounds horrific. Beyond
> > relic mode and modulation issue the mxs is a
> very
> > deep and capable machine.
>
> I agree with your assessment,,,but I would
> add,,the lack of vco when SAT is dialed to level
> 8.
> At least on my detector.
> And it seems relic mode deeper than coin and
> jewelry mode in my neck of the woods.

Why are you running hyper sat setting of 8? Not surprising it kills effectiviness of vco.

detectingMO Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > detectingMO Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > detectingMO Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Iron grunt only affects all metal channel.
>
> > > So
> > > > > when turned on in all metal or
> prospecting
> > > you
> > > > get
> > > > > two tone audio (iron grunt on iron). It
> > also
> > > > > shows up on the all metal audio channel
> in
> > > > relic
> > > > > mode but this is where i feel the mxs
> hass
> > > > issues.
> > > > > The all metal and disc audio seem to be
> > > > battling
> > > > > for one gate not two.
> > > > >
> > > > > Modulation only affects disc audio. Tone
> > > > volume
> > > > > is typically proportional to signal
> > > > > strength/depth. Most companies only have
> > it
> > > > > affect last half of depth. Some let you
> > > adjust
> > > > > it. On the mxs it doesnt seem to kick in
> > > until
> > > > > the last 2" of depth and it goes frim
> full
> > > > audio
> > > > > to almost nothing when it kicks in
> instead
> > of
> > > > > gradual.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I see.
> > > > So can I deduce from your remarks
> here,,iron
> > > grunt
> > > > when in relic mode-- unused??
> > > >
> > > > And if so,,why does this option,,why even
> > > > available when in relic mode??
> > > > No iron grunt available in coin and jewelry
> > > mode,
> > > > trash, or beach modes it seems.
> > >
> > > Its available in relic mode because relic
> does
> > > have all metal audio and is working. However
> > on
> > > other whites machines with stereo mixed mode
> > audio
> > > you have two clearly seperate audio
> > > gates/channels. In stereo phones you have am
> > in
> > > one ear and disc in the other. Its reall
> sweet!
> >
> > > However on mxs they seem to be battling for
> one
> > > audio channel/gate and its all snap crackle
> pop
> > > rice crispies. Turn on iron grunt and
> > modulation
> > > in relic mode and it sounds horrific. Beyond
> > > relic mode and modulation issue the mxs is a
> > very
> > > deep and capable machine.
> >
> > I agree with your assessment,,,but I would
> > add,,the lack of vco when SAT is dialed to
> level
> > 8.
> > At least on my detector.
> > And it seems relic mode deeper than coin and
> > jewelry mode in my neck of the woods.
>
> Why are you running hyper sat setting of 8? Not
> surprising it kills effectiviness of vco.

In my ground SAT 8 just works.

I'll bet Daniel,,when he gets his unit in a few days,,,let's see what he sees..
Probably similar to what I see.

Paul Old California liked SAT 8 as well.
Wish he was still here.

Btw my unit SAT 7 vco works -- or at least sound is provided denoted shallow target,,,go to level 8 nothing vco wise to tell me target is shallow,,just a clear crisp tone,,,none of that before and after noise like all the other SAT levels,,,remember I don't have another unit to compare here,,,,I don't know if this correct or not. In the blind so to speak.
No videos either it seems from manufacturer to show proper performance.
All I can do is report,,and see if this is trending or not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2016 03:36AM by tnsharpshooter.

Here we have a major manufacturing company that does not know what serial or lot identification numbers mean.

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

I am posting my post here as well as the other Whites Thread because it belongs in both threads / Topics,

Andy did state that in his review, Although he did not point out the faults within the running of the machine, He did say the things he liked about it, When you compare his list of likes to the features it has then A Person can read between the lines and see just how much he did not like about it,

My first reaction to Andy S, post was one of WHAAATT, Now I gotta be a bloody mind reader, But when you think about it, It all makes sense, Where as I would Rip'em a New One, Andy was being a little more tactful, and he would be taken off the list and never get to review another Whites machine ever again,

Me I don't give a Rats Backside, If I think it I will Say It, But saying that I would never get another machine to test, But Here's the Kicker,

If the original pre production field testers and engineers had all been on the same page, ANDY Could of Told the Full Story Or Given the chance My Comments would not Appear So Brutal, Although I don't agree with the "Be Gentle with Me" Type Reviews I can see why they exist,

And no matter what ever happens with this machine or how good it becomes (If at All) Years Down the track 99% of us with remember the BS Answers we have been told and all the Argument that and Banning that have revolved around this Machine, This Machine will NOT carry the heritage of the 5900/6000s the DFX/MXT/ IDX models of yester year and it will not be found in the Whites Museum and around camp fires in years to come it will be little more than a joke, And no doubt some of us will take the "P" out of anyone who has one, In my mind I am already their because I did my bit and tried to warn people

I had nothing to Gain by saying what I did I Love Whites Machines and their Coils are the Best,

Some folks did not like what I said, Tough, In exactly the same way that those who are complaining about the faults are getting it in the Ear from those who like it But that being said Those that Like it Do Not understand how those features are supposed to work, So they do not know any better, because if they did then they would see the things that ALL of YOU guys are seeing,

John,



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2016 01:56PM by auminesweeper.

Please leave me out of your discussions John. I can speak for myself. I got an MX Sport, I reported a problem. I had reason to believe the problems would not get fixed quickly, so I sold mine and moved on. That's it. If you want to keep making the same posts over and over for months that's for you to decide, but I am not your partner in this, so please leave me out of it.

Steve Herschbach Wrote:
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> Please leave me out of your discussions John. I
> can speak for myself. I got an MX Sport, I
> reported a problem. I had reason to believe the
> problems would not get fixed quickly, so I sold
> mine and moved on. That's it. If you want to keep
> making the same posts over and over for months
> that's for you to decide, but I am not your
> partner in this, so please leave me out of it.

Not a Problem, I will remove that part of my post, And I would not have had to repeat anything If I had of had the support When I first posted the Facts about this machine, But that was out of my control too.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2016 02:08PM by auminesweeper.

It seems that the issue is getting sickening to the majority of forum members here and on other forums. I hope that those with defective equipment get satisfaction. I have no dog in the race, but I learned quite a bit about the politics of our hobby. Some quite shocking. I can't do anything about the politics, but I can sure choose where I want to post and where I will spend my money. I am done opining on this matter and quite frankly done reading about it. I will state that this forum is the most tolerant out there and I am thankful for it. If there is one thing I have learned is don't hop on the new release bandwagon. Give it time for others to do the dirty work.

goodmore Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It seems that the issue is getting sickening to
> the majority of forum members here and on other
> forums. I hope that those with defective equipment
> get satisfaction. I have no dog in the race, but I
> learned quite a bit about the politics of our
> hobby. Some quite shocking. I can't do anything
> about the politics, but I can sure choose where I
> want to post and where I will spend my money. I am
> done opining on this matter and quite frankly done
> reading about it. I will state that this forum is
> the most tolerant out there and I am thankful for
> it. If there is one thing I have learned is don't
> hop on the new release bandwagon. Give it time for
> others to do the dirty work.
You make some very valid points and I agree with you, But it is just a metal detector and to me people are far more important,

I guess folks are getting fed with playing mind games with those who made the mistakes in the first place,

Take care, John.

auminesweeper Wrote:

> You make some very valid points and I agree with
> you, But it is just a metal detector and to me
> people are far more important,
>
> I guess folks are getting fed with playing mind
> games with those who made the mistakes in the
> first place,
>
> Take care, John.


As I highlighted, I agree with you. While the issues concerning the MX Sport are changing daily as new reports from people come in, people will try to protect their source of income. Threads will get locked by those that do not have the best interest of the fellow detectorist as a priority. Today over at Friendly, who say they are for helping the new person to the hobby, a thread was locked by the admin---

[ Why is it you must rehash everything over and over again? Whites is dealing with its issues.. We have rules here and you posting this have crossed a line.

They have their mental wires crossed,,,,White's thinks we need them,,,vs the other way around they need us.

We do not allow detector bashing or its company. ]

There has been plenty of " detector bashing " over at Friendly and nothing has been said about it. As more details emerge about the problems people are experiencing with the MX Sport and as more references are furnished of how Whites is looking out for itself , people will choose sides. Those on the side of the consumer will have a hard time keeping their voice heard. As I highlighted above-- " Whites is dealing with its issues.." shows how some think. It is not only " it's " issues but the consumers issues.

What are all you guys going to do if you stop beating this extremely dead, smelly horse? What happens when Whites finally gets it all straightened out? Seems to me you won't have a reason to get up in the morning . It has become the latest sport (or should I say hobby?) for some.

I must admit,though, it has been a perverse attraction to log on and read the latest MXS bashing threads. Kind of like what the Roman arena must have been like during the Gladiator days. You know that you shouldn't go watch the spectacle of human suffering, blood, and gore but you just can't stay away.


Dean

Kemper94 Wrote:
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> As I highlighted, I agree with you. While the
> issues concerning the MX Sport are changing daily
> as new reports from people come in, people will
> try to protect their source of income. Threads
> will get locked by those that do not have the best
> interest of the fellow detectorist as a priority.
> Today over at Friendly, who say they are for
> helping the new person to the hobby, a thread was
> locked by the admin---
>
> [ Why is it you must rehash everything over and
> over again? Whites is dealing with its issues.. We
> have rules here and you posting this have crossed
> a line.
>
> They have their mental wires crossed,,,,White's
> thinks we need them,,,vs the other way around they
> need us.
>
> We do not allow detector bashing or its company.
> ]
>
> There has been plenty of " detector bashing " over
> at Friendly and nothing has been said about it. As
> more details emerge about the problems people are
> experiencing with the MX Sport and as more
> references are furnished of how Whites is looking
> out for itself , people will choose sides. Those
> on the side of the consumer will have a hard time
> keeping their voice heard. As I highlighted
> above-- " Whites is dealing with its issues.."
> shows how some think. It is not only " it's "
> issues but the consumers issues.

Exactly, I have gone through all the threads about this and I have been trying to get people to take Note including Whites HQ Since early February, and I have seen So called smart people Twist and Turn and do a complete about face on this thing, because it is easier to turn and run, Unlike you guys who I have a lot of respect for, for a simple reason you know right from wrong and you stand up for That.

Kudos to you all.

John.

bado1 Wrote:
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> What are all you guys going to do if you stop
> beating this extremely dead, smelly horse?

We're going to watch the consumer continue to get screwed.




What
> happens when Whites finally gets it all
> straightened out?
Hypothetical


Seems to me you won't have a
> reason to get up in the morning . It has become
> the latest sport (or should I say hobby?) for
> some.
Looking out for the consumer and being concerned about what machines will be out in the marketplace for some time to come is not a hobby or a sport.
>

I must admit,though, it has been a perverse
> attraction to log on and read the latest MXS
> bashing threads

Start a thread praising the MXS if you like perverse attractions.


Kind of like what the Roman arena
> must have been like during the Gladiator days. You
> know that you shouldn't go watch the spectacle of
> human suffering, blood, and gore but you just
> can't stay away
>
>
It always starts to make sense nearer the end. The suffering of the people will diminish if they are treated fairly. Thanks for putting them at the end even if that was not your intention.

Dean

Kemper94 Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What are all you guys going to do if you stop
> > beating this extremely dead, smelly horse?
>
> We're going to watch the consumer continue to get
> screwed.
>
>
>
>
> What
> > happens when Whites finally gets it all
> > straightened out?
> Hypothetical
>
>
> Seems to me you won't have a
> > reason to get up in the morning . It has become
> > the latest sport (or should I say hobby?) for
> > some.
> Looking out for the consumer and being concerned
> about what machines will be out in the marketplace
> for some time to come is not a hobby or a sport.
> >
>
> I must admit,though, it has been a perverse
> > attraction to log on and read the latest MXS
> > bashing threads
>
> Start a thread praising the MXS if you like
> perverse attractions.
>
>
> Kind of like what the Roman arena
> > must have been like during the Gladiator days.
> You
> > know that you shouldn't go watch the spectacle
> of
> > human suffering, blood, and gore but you just
> > can't stay away
> >
> >
> It always starts to make sense nearer the end. The
> suffering of the people will diminish if they are
> treated fairly. Thanks for putting them at the end
> even if that was not your intention.
>
> Dean

Lol, Pure Poetry, Love It.

It's just as well it is Not a Quality Control Issue or we would have nothing to complain about, You can't use the word Quality and the MXS in the same sentence or you would be in Breach of the Trades Description Act,

NEWS Flash, The Company in China that makes all the Fake minelabs and Garretts are planning to Sue Whites for loss of income due to the fact No One wants the MXS,, hahaha

John

2 Men On A Mission to rid the World of the Evil MXS Monster.

And then to think I traded 2 Tectors yesterday for a Whites Surfmaster Dual Field.
Am I going to Burn in H&LL for my sin?

Anyway,... I feel a little ashamed of myself,... I should of asked Mr & Mrs Kempie-Pbminesweep for their blessing :-(

HH
Johnb

scoopjohnb Wrote:
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> 2 Men On A Mission to rid the World of the Evil
> MXS Monster.
>
> And then to think I traded 2 Tectors yesterday for
> a Whites Surfmaster Dual Field.
> Am I going to Burn in H&LL for my sin?
>
> Anyway,... I feel a little ashamed of myself,... I
> should of asked Mr & Mrs Kempie-Pbminesweep for
> their blessing :-(

No you should of bought the MXS,

Here's another one,

Mxsport trouble

I took my mx sport out in the river for the first time and I am thoroughly disappointed! I have fell in love with this machine until today. To start out I went through the pre water hunt checklist and then double checked it, got in the water I have been studying about for years and the first target was great then the machine went stupid the display went crazy the sound went crazy then it shut off. I dried the machine with a towel opened the battery box it was dry. I opened the headphones dry and the same with the coil. What is going on?

[forums.whiteselectronics.com]

93 posts since joining the forum. 50+ of them are in this thread.

I think the point has been driven home. You might be accused of many things, but being inarticulate isn't one of them. Get outside and get some air. Enjoy life. I've had 5 days off work and spent a good chunk of Friday water detecting and all day Saturday competing in the TN state archerh championship. From the looks of it, you've spent your whole week and weekend on the forums obsessed with Whites and a metal detector. That ain't no way to live.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> scoopjohnb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 2 Men On A Mission to rid the World of the Evil
> > MXS Monster.
> >
> > And then to think I traded 2 Tectors yesterday
> for
> > a Whites Surfmaster Dual Field.
> > Am I going to Burn in H&LL for my sin?
> >
> > Anyway,... I feel a little ashamed of myself,...
> I
> > should of asked Mr & Mrs Kempie-Pbminesweep for
> > their blessing :-(
>
> No you should of bought the MXS,

Didn't have one in LOL

HH
Johnb

scoopjohnb Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > scoopjohnb Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 2 Men On A Mission to rid the World of the
> Evil
> > > MXS Monster.
> > >
> > > And then to think I traded 2 Tectors
> yesterday
> > for
> > > a Whites Surfmaster Dual Field.
> > > Am I going to Burn in H&LL for my sin?
> > >
> > > Anyway,... I feel a little ashamed of
> myself,...
> > I
> > > should of asked Mr & Mrs Kempie-Pbminesweep
> for
> > > their blessing :-(
> >
> > No you should of bought the MXS,
>
> Didn't have one in LOL

I like the idea of the Duel Field, There are a few folks that do extremely well with them,

scoopjohnb Wrote:
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> 2 Men On A Mission to rid the World of the Evil
> MXS Monster.
>
> And then to think I traded 2 Tectors yesterday for
> a Whites Surfmaster Dual Field.
> Am I going to Burn in H&LL for my sin?
>
> Anyway,... I feel a little ashamed of myself,... I
> should of asked Mr & Mrs Kempie-Pbminesweep for
> their blessing :-(

I'll pass on the personal attacks and risk showing I am better than you in those regards. Here is a family on a mission to get the proper equipment so they can have enjoyable outings. I hope you don't attack them for not buying the MXS. Here is from Tnet today ---

just want to say thanks to everybody who posted about the problems. We are just getting into metal detecting, and have been doing lots of research and reading forums to help decide which detector to start with.

I was sold on the MX Sport. All the promised features and waterproof...all I need. But now I see the posts of the problems which makes me question my decision. Then the lack of real responses from White's was confusing. I was checking out the White's web site daily. They could post a funny video about announcing the price early, making someone do pushups on a desk, but they couldn't post anything addressing the problems with their newest detector? They obviously were not considering the potential new buyers that might be seeing all the bad press. I can deal with a company that has an ordinary product and great customer service, but not a company that promises a great product and does not seem to care about making things right quickly. Promises of fixes for weeks on end with no real results are just empty promises. I still think the MX Sport could be a GREAT machine, but as a newbie, how am I going to be comfortable with a decision to spend that kind of money if I don't feel I can really trust the machine to perform as advertised? As a newbie, I probably would not be able to tell the machine was not performing 100%, and White's shouldn't plan on sales to newbies like that. I'll admit....I REALLY WANT ONE....but how can I trust I won't get a defective model and have to go through all the return problems, having a bad experience with my first detector, then losing interest in the hobby...never buying another detector again? Maybe if people that have properly working MX Sports could post about how their units are doing so well, singing the praises of a great new machine, it might help save White's so much trouble and sales loss. Maybe even a serious video from White's explaining the real problems and exactly what they are doing to fix it instead of the funny videos about the price would help. I was so convinced that this was the machine for my family to start with, but all these problems show up, without a serious fast effort from White's, that now I feel like being betrayed by a trusted friend. I feel that if White's is serious about this problem and getting future sales from people like myself, they should address this problem publicly and set the record straight instead of the silence which makes everyone just believe the posts of problems and never trusting White's again. Enough venting though. We will be ordering our first detector this week, I wish it was going to be an MX Sport, but we will have to see if anything good happens about the MX Sport problems first. If not, there is plenty of competition.

Keeping my fingers crossed....wishing for some good news.....

Cheers, John.

Kemper,

"For those of us about to die, we salute you"! Man, I love that movie . Russel Crowe's best.

In to the arena....

So, do you really believe that White's set out to "screw the consumer"? I doubt very much that White's had any intention of screwing anybody. Just the opposite, I'm sure. No small business would have wanted the sh$t storm that has ensued with this launch.

Since when did you become the metal detectorist's consumer advocate? Did you buy one? Do you even have a dog in this fight? I don't. I didn't buy one. I believe that Whites will get it straightened out. At least I'm positive about the out come. Why pile on? I'm sure that they are very well aware of what's going on from the customers that actually purchased one.

Why do you assume I was referring to "the people" at the end? Perhaps, I was referring to Whites. LMAO. Human suffering, blood ,gore.

Dean